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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Estellise Valesti
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    I'm sorry, but I'm not going to get into everything I disagree with. I'm tired and I have to be up early.

    But if a DPS took damage they could avoid it is 100% their fault if they die. No one else's. It doesn't matter that the healer is there to keep everyone else alive, it is everyone's job to keep THEMSELVES alive as much as possible.

    Responsibility on your own life is not healer > yourself. It's yourself > healer. That's like saying a doctor is responsibly if you die because you didn't move out of the way of ticking bomb.

    You are literally perpetuating the "healers adjust" meme.
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    Nocturnia Uzuki
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    I'm sorry, but I'm not going to get into everything I disagree with. I'm tired and I have to be up early.


    But if a DPS took damage they could avoid it is 100% their fault if they die. No one else's. It doesn't matter that the healer is there to keep everyone else alive, it is everyone's job to keep THEMSELVES alive as much as possible.

    Responsibility on your own life is not healer > yourself. It's yourself > healer. That's like saying a doctor is responsibly if you die because you didn't move out of the way of ticking bomb.

    You are literally perpetuating the "healers adjust" meme.
    Well, let's compromise.

    If the DPS takes a 100% avoidable hit, it's their fault. If they die, it's still their fault that they got hit in the first place, but it's the healer's fault for letting them actually die.

    What else is the healer busy doing? Adding a bit of DPS that is eclipsed by a mere 5 seconds out of the 40 seconds the DPS player that they should have saved is laying dead?
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    Elliot Cloverfield
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    Quote Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki View Post
    Well, let's compromise.

    If the DPS takes a 100% avoidable hit, it's their fault. If they die, it's still their fault that they got hit in the first place, but it's the healer's fault for letting them actually die.

    What else is the healer busy doing? Adding a bit of DPS that is eclipsed by a mere 5 seconds out of the 40 seconds the DPS player that they should have saved is laying dead?
    Translation: "Let's compromise by agreeing that I'm still right."

    That's not how compromising works.

    Quote Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki View Post
    Also, for everyone responding, not just you:

    There's a reason I put [Opinion] on the title, and even put a warning at the top. I'm giving my opinions here, and that includes my feeling that 99% of healers don't know how to heal. If you disagree with me, then fine. But I'm not saying "Fact: 99% of healers don't know how to heal." I'm saying: "I think that 99% of healers don't know how to heal." There's a big difference there.
    Saying you're stating your "opinion" does not make you free of criticism. And, blaming every other healer for the changes that took place does not make you right or a better player than us. You are literally the only person I have seen decrying the chance to Spear because "the old one was better". If you're the only one of that opinion, maybe your opinion is wrong. Most complaints I see about the Spear is that "AST didn't need another buff". I don't play AST as my main, and even I feel that this change was for the better. You're saying 99% of healers don't know how to heal, yet most of us in this thread seem to know more than you. That's a really "high and mighty" assertion for someone to make when more of your statements point to the contrary.
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    Last edited by inhaledcorn; 07-22-2017 at 12:15 PM.

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    Richard Butte
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    I'm sorry, but I'm not going to get into everything I disagree with. I'm tired and I have to be up early.

    But if a DPS took damage they could avoid it is 100% their fault if they die. No one else's. It doesn't matter that the healer is there to keep everyone else alive, it is everyone's job to keep THEMSELVES alive as much as possible.

    Responsibility on your own life is not healer > yourself. It's yourself > healer. That's like saying a doctor is responsibly if you die because you didn't move out of the way of ticking bomb.

    You are literally perpetuating the "healers adjust" meme.
    This.

    The game is specifically designed so that, at best, DPS getting hit by avoidable damage will drain healers of their mana and wipe the group.

    Once again, OP, they mathed out old Spear ages ago and it was bad. Not just bad for hardcore raiders, but bad for everyone because any other card you drew would've been more useful.

    An AST who plays 2 hours a week and an AST who plays in a world-first raiding guild got the exact same value out of Spear, and that was less value than they'd have gotten with any other card except possibly Spire (when they didn't need to RR it).
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    Last edited by RichardButte; 07-23-2017 at 01:34 AM.