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    Fortune_Cookie's Avatar
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    Eden Dawn
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    Louisoix
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    Put it simple, guy use CD in mostly wrong encounter (no cd while 5+ enemy but unleash everything against normal 3 enemy), his HP goind down so fast i have no choice but to spam benefic 2 (heal 2) and to top of it we have no downtime, so when there is 2 less enemy the tank just bolted sprint to next mob and just aggro everything, by the time we did this 4-5 times non stop i barely has any mp and the dps roughly on 1/2 tp all the time.
    That doesn't sound so terrible. Evidently your gear and/or skill compensated for the tank's lower ilvl and poor cooldown usage. What exactly is the problem?

    Judging by the other responses, my perspective is obviously atypical for this game. IMO it isn't the job of the tank to make the run as easy as possible on the healer. Instead the tank and the healer have a shared responsibility to maximise dps (generally) by pulling as much as they collectively can handle. One party member (here the tank) not playing optimally isn't a reason for another (here the healer) not to play to the best of their ability. You heal and dps as best you can. If you wipe, tell the tank that he pulled more than his mitigation and your hps/mp can handle. If you don't wipe then all good, no?

    As for the tank's attitude, it's your prerogative to leave of course. Alternatively you could always choose to ignore what some random individual half a world away thinks of your performance.
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    Player Yuyuka3's Avatar
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    Kyara Moonbane
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    Shiva
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune_Cookie View Post
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    Except that if the healer has no MP, and the DPS no TP, he pulled far more than 'as much as they collectively can handle'. Actually, they quite obviously overpulled and didn't give anyone time to recover, either. It's also not about making it easy on the healer. The OP didn't ask to make it easy. They asked to make it manageable. And, frankly, even I as WHM start to panic if the tank drops like a stone even though I throw all the tools I have at him to keep him alive... because I know that after I spent them all, there's nothing I can do anymore, and if he drops that hard, I will run out of them quickly. Also, to make it worse, he abused his healer. At this point, it's not about performance anymore. It's about if you are willing to put up with abuse - which you shouldn't be. Name calling shouldnever be tolerated.
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    Except that if the healer has no MP, and the DPS no TP, he pulled far more than 'as much as they collectively can handle'. Actually, they quite obviously overpulled and didn't give anyone time to recover, either. It's also not about making it easy on the healer. The OP didn't ask to make it easy. They asked to make it manageable. And, frankly, even I as WHM start to panic if the tank drops like a stone even though I throw all the tools I have at him to keep him alive... because I know that after I spent them all, there's nothing I can do anymore, and if he drops that hard, I will run out of them quickly. Also, to make it worse, he abused his healer. At this point, it's not about performance anymore. It's about if you are willing to put up with abuse - which you shouldn't be. Name calling shouldnever be tolerated.
    I read the OP as implying that the party didn't actually wipe. In which case, what's the big deal? If they did in fact wipe several times, then you're absolutely right and the tank overpulled.

    Not going to argue whether calling someone "lazy" is abuse that necessitates an immediate exit from the party. I accept that your stance reflects the official view.

    I would however endorse winsock's comment above - de-escalation is imo the mature thing to do in these situations.
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