Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

[Zahak]

If we're going to get wyverns...make sure they're big, intimidating, and mountable as an aerial combatant.

And when I say Big, I mean big enough to knock over a conga line of chocobos with a sneeze...

And when I say intimidating, I mean they should cause the City Guards to wet their pants with one glare...

And when I say mountable/aerial combatant, I mean they should be a very powerful companion in wind-based combat and that the Dragoon should be able to ride them. (Garuda, I'm looking at you~)

EXACTLY! That's what SE really needs to do with these wyverns!!! No little rat (<3 firewing) in this one please. We need intimidating and scary looking wyverns here!

What we need is some concept art of these things so I know what to vote for...or make them change it. Here's requesting some concept art for wyverns Yoshi.

[SilvertearRen]

EXACTLY! That's what SE really needs to do with these wyverns!!! No little rat (<3 firewing) in this one please. We need intimidating and scary looking wyverns here!

I updated my post. Update yours too, please.

[Sevokevo_Royuki]

I'm taking what Yoshi-P said at face value: TESTING. I seriously hope the prototyping results show that the original jobs do NOT deserve any kind of rebalance for a pet. If a Wyvern as a combat pet gets added, I'd rather it be optional for PvE combat, and not usable in PvP. That way, the stats do not hurt the Dragoon as a damage dealer.

Sevo, if we're going to have another Wyvern-based DRagoon job in the second Final Fantasy MMO, it's not going to really do me any happiness. Know why?

In about 5 to 15 years from now, there will probably be another Final Fantasy MMO in the works. I don't want the "original Dragoon" (Kain, Freya, etc) to have missed out being a staple in the MMO genre for two, god forbid THREE times in a row...

P.S. Yes, I am capable of thinking that far ahead...the wyvern has had its heyday in FFXI, let Kain and Freya have their glory now.

I understand your concern about Kains and Freya not being able to have wyverns by there side in the game but you also have to thing that Freya (FFIX) and Cid (FFVII) where not called Dragoons but just had very great skills with the Lance. As for Kain in FFIV I do not know because I have not played the game yet. But you just can't say that just because Freya and Cid, Not counting Kain, did not have Wyverns that the rest should not have Wyverns.

You can also take into count that since FFXI most of the character that with with Lances Had a Wyvern on there side. Ex: Fang. Yes I know it was only a Eidolon Summon but still. I am not saying that she was called a DRG but she still had a Wyvern as a ally in a since.

[SilvertearRen]

I understand your concern about Kains and Freya not being able to have wyverns by there side in the game but you also have to thing that Freya (FFIX) and Cid (FFVII) where not called Dragoons but just had very great skills with the Lance. As for Kain in FFIV I do not know because I have not played the game yet. But you just can't say that just because Freya and Cid, Not counting Kain, did not have Wyverns that the rest should not have Wyverns.

You can also take into count that since FFXI most of the character that with with Lances Had a Wyvern on there side. Ex: Fang. Yes I know it was only a Eidolon Summon but still. I am not saying that she was called a DRG but she still had a Wyvern as a ally in a since.

Note: Dragoon and Dragon Knight are both the same thing.

And frankly, shame on you for using Final Fantasy XIII as an example...in my eyes, your credibility just went down the toilet.

[Nuru]

I think Dragoon should be without Wyvern, but a Dragon Tamer should be the Beastmaster Counterpart of Dragoon. That way everyone can win.

[Keith_Dragoon]

I understand your concern about Kains and Freya not being able to have wyverns by there side in the game but you also have to thing that Freya (FFIX) and Cid (FFVII) where not called Dragoons but just had very great skills with the Lance. As for Kain in FFIV I do not know because I have not played the game yet. But you just can't say that just because Freya and Cid, Not counting Kain, did not have Wyverns that the rest should not have Wyverns.

You can also take into count that since FFXI most of the character that with with Lances Had a Wyvern on there side. Ex: Fang. Yes I know it was only a Eidolon Summon but still. I am not saying that she was called a DRG but she still had a Wyvern as a ally in a since.

They were called Dragon Knight which I believe is the direct translation of Dragoon JP > EN


Edit: I also found this pretty neat for those who use "They never had them before" as their arguement

Google FTW

Dragoons are powerful physical attackers that wield various types of spears and lances. They wear special armor meant to invoke the imagery of dragons, including helmets shaped like a dragon's head, spikes, and wing and scale designs. Dragoons are sometimes more directly tied to dragons, such as owning them as pets or otherwise befriending them. The trademark ability of Dragoons is Jump, which allows them to leap into the air, avoiding attacks while airborne, and descending later to impale enemies and deal heavy damage. Some Dragoons can upgrade Jump to Double Jump, which does increased damage. Another recurring Dragoon ability is Lancet, sometimes called Dragon Sword, which allows them to attack an opponent and drain their HP and MP to heal themselves

More Google Facts

In their first appearance, Dragoons are not a Job but a group of spear-wielding dragon riders who fought alongside wyverns. The Emperor killed off most of the group out of fear, leaving only Ricard Highwind and his adopted son, Kain.

[SilvertearRen]

I think Dragoon should be without Wyvern, but a Dragon Tamer should be the Beastmaster Counterpart of Dragoon. That way everyone can win.

This would be a good suggestion. Actually, that does sound very Final Fantasy XIV-like. I mean, when you consider the fact that Ishgard hates the dragons...

And you add in the fact that the region Dravania is very likely the seat of the Wyrm-King Bahamut's territory due to the fact that it is where the majority of dragons live. And guess what City-State is found in Dravania?

Sharlayan.

I would totally love an opposing counterpart class/job to stand opposite of the Dragonslayer (Dragoon), the Dragon Tamer.

This suggestion has the makings of an epic rivalry between Sharlayan and Ishgard.

And suppose Yoshi-P does advanced jobs?

Holy Dragoon.
(Kain Highwind became a Holy Dragoon in FF4: The After Years, after killing his dark side. Holy Dragoons have the power to use White Magic.)

It would require Dragoon, and Paladin.

[Sevokevo_Royuki]

If we're going to get wyverns...make sure they're big, intimidating, and mountable as an aerial combatant. And they should not take away ANY stats whatsoever from the player dragoon's stats. I want the wyvern to be considered an "add-on" that can be disabled in PvP combat environments.

And when I say Big, I mean big enough to knock over a conga line of chocobos with a sneeze...

And when I say intimidating, I mean they should cause the City Guards to wet their pants with one glare...

And when I say mountable/aerial combatant, I mean they should be rideable by Dragoon, and they should be powerful in mid-air combat. (Garuda, I'm looking at you~)

Basically, I am not against the idea of a Kain/Freya Dragoon having the option to have a strong wyvern at their side that does NOT cause problems with balance.

Here is a list of requisites:

1. The Dragoon should be able to fight on their own on equal footing against other classes and PvE enemies without the wyvern.
2. The Wyvern should be restricted in PvP (aka, not summonable)
3. The Wyvern's main purpose would be the mount to the Dragoon as mounted cavalry.
4. The Wyvern is capable of fighting on its own, but not capable of winning ANYTHING on its own. Period. The Wyvern should be used primarily as a PvE/Lore device, not an actual combat pet class. (That role is reserved for Summoner and Beastmaster, folks.)

Better yet, the Wyvern could be rewarded as an achievement for the player having completed all Dragoon-related quests, that way, it becomes more of an optional function than an absolute necessity.

I would love that to... The Wyverns need to be about the size of the dragons that where demonstrated in the Live Letter.

As for flying.. I can't see that that make alot more stuff placed on the DRG then other classes and as for having the Wyvern be SO big then I feel the the character should have a small decrease in power so it don't be overpowered. Now if the wyvern was small like in FFXI then I would love to see you keep you full strength and have the wyvern as a add on. I am just thinking as a balance effect here now.

[Keith_Dragoon]

I think Dragoon should be without Wyvern, but a Dragon Tamer should be the Beastmaster Counterpart of Dragoon. That way everyone can win.

Dragon tamer sounds lame though T_T

[Nabiri]

I like this idea, as cruel as it sounds I like it. If you don't want a wyvern you can choose to kill it off and take on it's abilities and if you do want one you choose to take it under your wing and raise it as a companion to aid you in combat by linking your souls together.

Seeing how Drg will be coming well before we'd see a pet the idea of making the quest optional later when pet AI is tweaked out and ready for release is also the other option. Same scenario as above minus the killing and absorbing since you'd already possess these powers.

For the sake of "Well since you already have the powers before doing this optional quest how would you lose them?!" Easy answer the wyvern is dying and you split the part of your soul you stole from the creature that gave you those abilities to save it's life and in turn it will stand by your side til the end using the powers and life you gave to it to help you in your adventures.

I like your ideas. They would make for interesting quests.