CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

[Kiote]

Then this game would have to be rated M now because if you get KO'd twice its basicly saying "OMFG dont fight you moron you WILL DIE!!!!"

Also there are plenty of movies that have people dying that arent rated M, the term death doesnt mean its only sutable for people over 18.

If the cencorship in US is that bad then all RPGs should be rated M because you are killing things, oh and you are using a sword to kill them thats even worse. Cencorship is not as bad as you think if it was to the extent that a fact of life (death) is as bad as watching someone get disembowled with a chainsaw, with blood splattering everywhere, then there is something wrong.

lol You obviously do not know what your talking about. ESRB standards are ridiculously strict. Believe me, I work with them every day. But this is not the point of the topic.

There are implications of Grave robbing against THM I recall no situation that insinuated that they committed acts of necromancy at any point in time during the story. The concept as a whole is in direct conflict with their philosphies as described in game. Rouge members aside the organization can only lose from the practice of Necromancy because they're goal is to get all of there Customers to leave all their money to the organization when they die.

They are not "Dark Mages" they are Priest and they happen to offer retribution to those to kill there followers. It has nothing to do with Dark Magic.

[Delsus]

I think they use KO instead of death because then "why couldnt I revive Aeris".

Lol, oh yeah and I dont remember that game being rated M, just because somone died Kiote.

[Kiote]

Lol, oh yeah and I dont remember that game being rated M, just because somone died Kiote.

Is there something wrong with you? It's not about one person being killed in a story. It's about repeatedly subjecting the user to the experience of death. You really should not argue about things you know nothing about.

[kwestro]

I'm glad I leveled both. Rage=0.

[Delsus]

lol You obviously do not know what your talking about. ESRB standards are ridiculously strict. Believe me, I work with them every day. But this is not the point of the topic.

There are implications of Grave robbing against THM I recall no situation that insinuated that they committed acts of necromancy at any point in time during the story. The concept as a whole is in direct conflict with their philosphies as described in game. Rouge members aside the organization can only lose from the practice of Necromancy because they're goal is to get all of there Customers to leave all their money to the organization when they die.

They are not "Dark Mages" they are Priest and they happen to offer retribution to those to kill there followers. It has nothing to do with Dark Magic.

To mold that aether into sorcery, the thaumaturge makes use of a scepter or staff, within which is housed a medium - a natural stone imbued with magical properties. The guild is centered at the Arrzaneth Ossuary in Ul'dah, within whose hallowed walls are said to reside powers of life, death, and the beyond.

Thaumaturges are unparalleled in their powers of destruction, eclipsing even the Disciples of War.

From gamerescape, showing they are linked to life, death and the afterlife, and although I cant find it its i have seen a few quests that have linked the thaumaturges to necromancy, but they deny any connections, there in some quests in uldah from what I remember.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Lots of... heated discussion going on up in 'ere. While the black and white "this class will be this job" was stated on the recent LIVE broadcast, the more in-depth class adjustment news will be posted in the coming days, so I hope that everyone is looking forward to it!

THM will prob get all the elemental spells and CNJ will probably get the Astral and Umbral spells. That would be my guess or simply get the spells like Banish.

[Inaaca]

THM will prob get all the elemental spells and CNJ will probably get the Astral and Umbral spells. That would be my guess or simply get the spells like Banish.

I really doubt that they'll be swapping the entire basis upon which the classes are built. There's way too much lore players have been invested in at this point.

More likely CNJ will get more of a healing focus and THM will get more of a nuking focus, while at the same time, CNJ keeps their elemental ties, and THM stays with their principle of life and death.

Not sure exactly how he plans to do it, but I just don't see the entire lore of the classes changing at this point.

[Estellios]

I really doubt that they'll be swapping the entire basis upon which the classes are built. There's way too much lore players have been invested in at this point.

More likely CNJ will get more of a healing focus and THM will get more of a nuking focus, while at the same time, CNJ keeps their elemental ties, and THM stays with their principle of life and death.

Not sure exactly how he plans to do it, but I just don't see the entire lore of the classes changing at this point.

That and the classes still need to be able to solo to some extent. CNJ losing any kind of offense would kill that. Glad is kinda in that situation right now, but if they do end up getting dual wield and with the self-combo stuff that would probably be fixed.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Is there something wrong with you? It's not about one person being killed in a story. It's about repeatedly subjecting the user to the experience of death. You really should not argue about things you know nothing about.

There are plenty of games where you die repeatedly, and are not rated M.
(Quick example, w/o any complexities to get in the way, WoW. You literally die, and are brought back to life. Repeatedly. But it is rated T. In other RPGs where death/life/afterlife are big themes tend to have actual death in place of KO)

I'm fairly sure later installments used the term KO for the above mentioned "Why Can't I revive "xxx" character?"
The idea in DnD (Which RPGs such as FF and DQ were inspired from.) is that you are KOed, and if no one is around to guard you, whilst you are knocked out, then either you die of your wounds, or are killed then.
What WAS censored, was the game over.
"Annihilated" was term once used for game over.

[Estellios]

You die in Dragon Quest games and those aren't M. You're brought back to life because the goddess doesn't want you to die yet when you're wiped out.