MCH changes are unfortunate

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

SAM: Outdpses MCH. Has a DoT with Lead Shot's old potency (then, the highest DoT), and twice the duration.
BRD: Outdpses MCH. Has 2 DoTs with a literal reset switch (for those that complain of MCH too easy/boring)

. . . Give us back Lead Shot please.

With the community reaching the (correct) consensus that there's no reason to take a MCH over a BRD now. I heavily doubt many new players will play MCH at all.


It starts at level 30 basically having people go back to level it, requires the MSQ to unlock, and is considered inferior to the other option for that slot.

BRD, sorry, Archer starts at 1 if anyone's never touched it. And I want to laugh at that "correct consensus" bit, but you were serious. I suppose it's easy to let metas decide for you. I mean, why should anyone think or choose anything for themselves in this game, right?

Welp, can't wait til 5.0/6.0 and some other ranged is added, then suddenly "No one will ever bring a BRD. . ."

[Greedalox]

Welp, can't wait til 5.0/6.0 and some other ranged is added, then suddenly "No one will ever bring a BRD. . ."

They never said that MCH would be in a terrible place forever- it was a mention of the current patch and it's iteration of MCH- and she's right. I'll be starting my raiding tonight as MCH, but I'm lucky because I raid with friends. If a raid group is given a choice between a MCH and a BRD, they will take a bard and frankly theres more BRD than MCH anyways so it's not even going to be a "their loss" situation.

The only reason to bring a MCH to raid is if you were grandfathered in or somehow every BRD has been scooped up. We flatly just aren't good or equal in comparison under ANY team setups- sure you can say that we can make up for it with faith and tryharding, but what happens when a BRD tryhards? They'll be better than us.

[CosmicKirby]

BRD, sorry, Archer starts at 1 if anyone's never touched it. And I want to laugh at that "correct consensus" bit, but you were serious. I suppose it's easy to let metas decide for you. I mean, why should anyone think or choose anything for themselves in this game, right?

Welp, can't wait til 5.0/6.0 and some other ranged is added, then suddenly "No one will ever bring a BRD. . ."

My point being, you HAVE to go back as a new player to start as a MCH. You can reasonably pick ARC as your first and stick with it all the way through. Most people probably max the first job they pick I imagine.

If you compare a BRD and MCH of equal skill level, there's no reason to bring a MCH over a BRD.

You're the kind of person that doesn't understand tier lists. If ALL OTHER FACTORS are equal, X or Y? The 'meta' or tier lists are what points you to the better of alternatives. Any amount of 'don't let the meta decide!' is the concept going over your head.

Is the best MCH going to be better than a lot of BRDs? Yes. Would that MCH be performing better if they were JUST AS good with any other job or BRD? Also yes. There's no performance argument to be made in MCH's favor.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

My point being, you HAVE to go back as a new player to start as a MCH. You can reasonably pick ARC as your first and stick with it all the way through. Most people probably max the first job they pick I imagine.

If you compare a BRD and MCH of equal skill level, there's no reason to bring a MCH over a BRD.

You're the kind of person that doesn't understand tier lists. If ALL OTHER FACTORS are equal, X or Y? The 'meta' or tier lists are what points you to the better of alternatives. Any amount of 'don't let the meta decide!' is the concept going over your head.

Is the best MCH going to be better than a lot of BRDs? Yes. Would that MCH be performing better if they were JUST AS good with any other job or BRD? Also yes. There's no performance argument to be made in MCH's favor.

Oh I understand tier lists. You assume far too much, and we just don't bloody well know each other like that. At least offer me dinner first.

But if we ARE going to go there, RDM outdamages BRDs, yes? And can help cure in a pinch, AND can raise in a pinch, and Embolden is quite nice. QUITE nice. Damage, support to an even greater degree, and arguably simpler execution. . . Why bring a BRD when you can bring an RDM? Meta said so?

I mean if it's a matter of performance and what brings what to the table, let's skip the freedom of choice and simply look at the top. Forget play what you love, forget actually being good at it when you can just be better at something else. "If you ain't first, you're last", right?

I grasp the meta concept enough to know just how many times it simply didn't matter thanks to that one variable no amount of professional mathematics can account for: the human element. I've done more with less, and I've seen a player completely shatter what the meta says firsthand. Not in this game, no, but overall it was the eye opener: put the right tools in the right hands and they can get the job done. Doesn't matter if they're weathered or top of the line. Might seem hard to grasp sometimes, but once you've seen it, it's hard to unsee. At least if you're really looking.

But don't take my word for it. Go ask the meta or something.

[Greedalox]

But if we ARE going to go there, RDM outdamages BRDs, yes? And can help cure in a pinch, AND can raise in a pinch, and Embolden is quite nice. QUITE nice. Damage, support to an even greater degree, and arguably simpler execution. . . Why bring a BRD when you can bring an RDM? Meta said so?

You're being facetious and comparing apples to sausages. It doesn't help anyones argument to shoehorn the comparison of non alike party roles. Plus yes to what you're saying. We've seen it before- when things get out of hand certain classes can transcend even party roles. That's why we have see plenty of all physical groups and Brd + Mch groups.

Because the meta said so. But our current situation isn't meta. There's ZERO instances and party comps where MCH outdoes BRD. That's not meta, that's a bad class (At the moment). We have no quirks, limelight, minutes or moments for MCH- and pretending like that's okay is harmful. It's okay to still love the class and admit it's NOT in a good spot at all.

Right now in a fight if our mana battery utility wasn't necessary at all and no bards were available you can bet your behind that another class would fill our spot better.