Lazy Healers In Parties of Eight

[Jim_Berry]

I now to at least toss a dot, with or without Cleric Stance. I aimply cannot properly multitask doing tons of dps and tons of healing at the same time as a healer. That said, my personal healing play style gave me enough comfort to be able to solo heal.

Because I'm a healer that don't focus dps, I generally stay off my WHM/AST. Solo-healed A11S when it was relevant in one particular run when our other healer d/c'd at pull. We one-shot but I didn't hear the end of it from the tank because I had 0 dps that fight, he said.

[DamianFatale]

Let's all make a thread every time we get a random bad player in a pug.

This wasn't just random. This was the third time in a week. How about you ask questions instead of assuming what you think you know.

[DamianFatale]

Its not like there aren't lazy dps and tanks... Can we end the healer specific hate? Its gotten very old.

This isn't healer specific hate. I am a healer, and I'm complaining about people in my role.

[technole]

The best part is Astro has it very easy to weave damage, as they now have only have one DoT to put up. But even that is hard for many. You don't even need to take cleric stance if you don't want to. No one is asking for top-tier healer damage, just put some points on the board my gosh.

[Zojha]

The OP is talking about Healers that are literally just standing around doing absolutely nothing leaving the other healer to fend for themselves.

Truth be told, I've not seen that all that often myself. What I do see very often are "heal-only" healers that are simply very slow and then end up cancelling their heal all the time because their co-healer was faster. These same players will never allow your AoE HoTs to be useful either, because they have their OCD triggered when people aren't at 100% all the time and consequently spam medica on people at 90% to nullify your HoTs.

[DamianFatale]

I think most of you guys are missing the point of the thread. The OP is talking about Healers that are literally just standing around doing absolutely nothing leaving the other healer to fend for themselves. Think of it like the PvP problem we had with people just AFKing, but apply it to PvE content instead. Honestly, I have seen this behaviour lately especially in the final Stormblood trial and the new Normal mode Raid tier (there were points where the other healer would intentionally jump off the platform). I wonder why.

^^^^^ I see it in trial roulette, and msq roulette too.

[technole]

Truth be told, I've not seen that all that often myself. What I do see very often are "heal-only" healers that are simply very slow and then end up cancelling their heal all the time because their co-healer was faster. These same players will never allow your AoE HoTs to be useful either, because they have their OCD triggered when people aren't at 100% all the time and consequently spam medica on people at 90% to nullify your HoTs.

Those kind of heal-only healers tend to be the worst, they are not confident with the job, content, damage script, or what not.

Even in easy stuff, they don't even realize Swiftcast+Medica II or Lightspeed is actually a thing, so they are late while the other healer has it up already. Nope they just sit on these good cooldowns just like the bad tanks do too. Pushing buttons is hard, but also pushing one more button to make the job even more simple is even harder.

[Sylve]

Up until 4.0 SCH had by far the best sustained damage of any healer. I've heard some MP horror stories since then but even if they're all true FFXIV was definitely designed with Always Be Casting in mind. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to stand there in a fight for mana to regen as a healer since I figured out how the basics work.

Basically you always have the MP to do damage unless you're in an awful group or some real lag haplens and people die. Saying otherwise is best case uninformed and worst case just plain lying.

Perhaps my experience has been skewed due to stupid Tanks in leveling HW Dungeons (MY SCH only just hit 60 this morning, used to play in 2.x but never touched it in HW), But generally speaking if i fill every GCD on a boss fight with either a Heal or Broil, I will run dry with Lucid and Aetherflow on cooldown.

I don't mean to say that i'll literally stand there not doing anything for 5+ seconds. That was just how it was when i first began healing in MMOs and its influenced how i manage my MP here.
If i focus primarily on keeping DoTs up and waiting 1 - 2 seconds between Broil casts, The natural regen covers the majority of Broils cost and i never have issues (Except Vault, where apparently eating AoEs increases your DPS or something cos DDs sure love to stand in the fire there)

Generally speaking, Theres a time for going full blown DPS mode and a time to be conservative. The issue, particularly in the case of your Sig, is players not knowing or caring that theres a difference.
Everyone is full and my MP is nearly full with CDs to back it up? TIME TO BROILBOMB!
Party taking damage regularly, Tank dropping hard? DoTs/Bane + SFlare with the occasional Broil when the party is stable and im above my personal "safe" MP threshold.

But I'm not there to optimize my DPS, I'm there to make sure everyone stays alive. And the 100 dps i lose by being more conservative with my MP means I'm never in a situation where I'm running dry.
100 dps lost from the healer isn't going to affect the run.
Of course SCHs are the best at sustained DPS while healing, since we can DoT everything and then heal, since DoTs are the primary source of the jobs damage, Though Broil is crazy nice now compared to Ruin, lol.

To each his/her own.
Some people like playing limbo with the party. I don't, But I'm not going to call out a healer who plays differently when I'm Tanking unless people are dying as a result.
Part of the problem is players who run primarily with a set group of people. They get used to how their Healers and Tanks operate and then expect everyone else to be exactly the same, then get confused and angry when random DF players don't meet their expectations.
Contributing once again to your sig, lol.

[Alleo]

Makes threads that people should stop complaining about stuff..makes threads to complain about something. Come to the side of complaining we had cookies. (Before I ate them all)

But I agree with you. Players should always do something even if they are DD, tank or healer but the only job that can get away with standing there doing nothing for a time are the healers and as a DD I am kinda getting annoyed because I always try to do my best in group content only to see someone standing there doing nothing until someone gets hit. Its even more annoying since people dont even need to stance dance anymore.

My first SB dungeon was as a healer because the DD queue was way to long. She did not have the best equipment because I am a main DD, and the first thing the tank does is big pull. Yet even though I had no idea what will happen in the dungeon and even though I am not a main healer I kept everyone alive and casted some DPS skills on top of that.

I can understand if someone is new or if the team is not good equipped and they dont want to DPS on trash pulls..but at least some Dots on the boss would be nice.

And before someone says something, no I dont kick someone like that, I am just not giving that person a commendation and maybe stand in stuff more. (If its not deathly because that would be bad for the whole group)

[MoroMurasaki]

Ah, see, I mained SCH all through HW and was very used to DPSing there especially in 4 man dungeons which is apparently where SCH is/was weakest. You missed out on the golden age of SCH buddy!


Like I said I can't speak for SB scholar, mine is still only 60 or 61, but I do think that with Dissipation being rolled mostly into Energy Drain you should be able to have consistant sustain at 60+ assuming DPS are not being 'muh deeps' about AoE. In fact if you just hit 60 I highly reccomend that you try out Dissipation in general - I didn't touch it becauae my logic was "but if my fairy leaves who is gonna heal?!" but once I got into it I realized what a difference it can make.

Either way I agree with you to an extent that people play with the same groups all the time and that that effects their perception of other players but I do think that we need to expect more from healers than just a clear if we want to stop seeing all the healer specific hate on these forums and in game. We have a very low viable skill floor, the lowest of the three roles in my opinion, but then act like it's perfectly alright for someone to live on that floor and never progress. That is what I have a problem with. A tank who never leaves tank stance or doesn't properly rotate his cooldowns is looked at as "learning" by a lot of groups, same as a DPS making silly mistakes in their rotation. I stop and give those people advice if I am able and it seems like they are open to it.

A healer who only heals needs to, at least, be treated like someone who is not performing their entire role and might need help and that will never become the norm if we always make excuses for them.

Otherwise I think we will still be getting called lazy for silly things because the accepted player mindset in this game's culture is that healers are lazy.... and god knows I don't want to be the next loldrg floortank.

Also thanks, I'm loving this sig right now. The great healer DPS debate is where it's at. I'm sorry if I got a little spicy with you, just passionate about keeping my favorite role from being seen im such an unflattering light.