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    Mikki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vhailor View Post
    It can be difficult to accurately assess whether a healer in 8-man content is being lazy or not. Sometimes it's clear, but many times they simply don't "top people off" as quickly as someone else might. I know personally I won't cast Cure if some damage-dealer gets knocked down to half life, unless I know a big AoE is coming. I'll toss off a Regen and leave it at that. To another healer, however, this might look as if I'm ignoring them.

    I'm not arguing with your overall point, simply suggesting that you might be more reactive than the average healer. Whether this is good or bad is up for debate, though it's far from clear-cut (I'd actually argue that being over-reactive is just as harmful as being under-reactive).
    I have to agree with this. Although many people may not like it, I don't keep people topped off usually. If you have more than half health, you'll be ok unless a big aoe is coming (or if you're terrible and stand in every easily avoidable aoe possible). Sitting there spamming heals isn't actually that helpful, honestly. You're better off contributing to DPS until people are actually below half-health, maybe pop a regen or something and carry on. But I probably look lazy to people when I'm paired with another healer who likes to keep everyone at 100% health all the time.

    This is how I was taught to play. I used to play with a pretty "hardcore" group. Not saying I'm fantastic myself but I'm always willing to learn and take advice and my group liked that about me. One of the things I was taught was that you don't need to waste mana overhealing and people don't need to be at 100% health all the time. Contribute to DPS when you can.
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    Last edited by Mikki; 10-03-2017 at 02:32 AM.

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    Exodyce Valence
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikki View Post

    This was how I was taught to play. I used to play with a pretty "hardcore" group. Not saying I'm fantastic myself but I'm always willing to learn and take advice and my group liked that about me. One of the things I was taught was that you don't need to waste mana overhealing and people don't need to be at 100% health all the time. Contribute to DPS when you can.
    Regen, Medica2, Roused WD, and Aspected Helios/Benefic (Diurnal) are amazingly efficient and are absolutely gutted by over-zealous healers... I feel your pain.
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    Cait Zilla
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    I've met an unusual amount of lazy healers, since Stormblood, while healing as well in party of 8. Either I'm unlucky or it's kind of a trend right now.

    By lazy healers, I mean either healers that go full DPS and do not cast a single heal while the party needs them leading to deaths or wipes, or even healers doing simply nothing.

    Hopefully it will pass.
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolys View Post
    By lazy healers, I mean either healers that go full DPS.
    Healing is a DPS loss. Gotta pad that parse!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rita1989 View Post
    I wish these healers actually existed at least then they would be kinda useful.
    I wish I'd stop getting these healers... currently it's a ratio of like 9/10 and I sigh because there's always a wipe.
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    Uriel Valesti
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Healing is a DPS loss. Gotta pad that parse!



    I wish I'd stop getting these healers... currently it's a ratio of like 9/10 and I sigh because there's always a wipe.
    I'm sorry Thunda_Cat but your exaggerations are getting a bit annoying.

    And if you aren't exaggerating then perhaps you should look at the common denominator, which would be you.
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    Let's all make a thread every time we get a random bad player in a pug.
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    Arctura Fengari
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterLucie View Post
    Let's all make a thread every time we get a random bad player in a pug.
    This wasn't just random. This was the third time in a week. How about you ask questions instead of assuming what you think you know.
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    Ethan Vayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    This wasn't just random. This was the third time in a week. How about you ask questions instead of assuming what you think you know.
    Third time or seventh time, why did it need its own thread when we have the DF thread to contain all that senseless whining?
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    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Moro Murasaki
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    I don't think DPSing in 8 mans is necessarily lazy. I main WHM and if I do Trial roulette and get something ancient where only one healer is needed I assume I am the DPS healer because my output is higher. I used to voice this at the beginning of trial roulette but as I so often get nothing resembling a response I have since stopped unless my cohealer has said something first.

    I'm sorry, if I get normal Shiva I am not going to dedicate myself to healing if someone else already is. There is just no need. Is this different from Susano? Absolutely. Still, blanket statements about DPSing healers being bad bugs me.
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    Yui Oshima
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    Mateus
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    Blacksmith Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
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    Yeah I identify with that sig

    I'm a now an official Samurai main. I'm tired of SE not being able to balance healing jobs. I'm tired of the crap that sig highlights. I've gotten crap for doing DPS and I've gotten crap for being caref

    I've had it.
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    Last edited by ToasterMan; 07-17-2017 at 01:03 PM.

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