Take it easy, Tanks.

[Rubiss]

Or the healer could let you drop to the floor to the adds. You're not going to pull a lot of it if you're going to die every time it happens...and the healer decides who lives or dies.

Entitled healers. Maybe you could stop being bad at your class and strive to be above the bottom 1%. Big pulls is standard. If you can't handle it, go play RDM.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Entitled healers. Maybe you could stop being bad at your class and strive to be above the bottom 1%. Big pulls is standard. If you can't handle it, go play RDM.

Had a PLD the other day that kept mass pulling even with the healer not being able to keep up, to the point that he just quit after the first boss.

Got a new tank in a minute and proceeded to finish in a little under ten minutes from first to last boss, because the tank stuck to small pulls and the healer, me, and the dps burned everything at light speed.

[AxiomPITCH]

Entitled healers. Maybe you could stop being bad at your class and strive to be above the bottom 1%. Big pulls is standard. If you can't handle it, go play RDM.

Thread's over, move out.

[Maeka]

Thread's over, move out.

Hardly.

The post you quoted is by yet another "git gud" person who thinks they are the cream of the crop when they probably aren't. I've healed plenty of dungeons and fights in the game, in fact I've healed pretty much everything outside of Extreme Primals and Savage content just fine. Sometimes it takes me a run or two to learn things that only healers need to work with, but I'll get it after an attempt or two.

I've earned plenty of commendations, and generally I usually keep people alive (unless it is impossible when they get themselves killed due to mechanics) in most circumstances.

But yet, if some tank who thinks he's invincible decides to mash his sprint button and then round up half the dungeon in one pull and he drops dead without even seeing if my character is properly geared to even DO that, then that's not my fault. Sorry, this isn't a "git gud" situation on my part, but rather the tank's. The tank needs to learn how to tank properly.

What people like @Rubiss and @AxiomPITCH need to understand, is that Defense is a combination team effort by the Tank and Healer combined. If one utterly fails their job, then they both end up failing at their combined jobs and someone (usually the whole group) is going to die. Tank pulls too much crap that it is mathematically impossible to keep him alive? That sure ain't the Healer's fault. If the Healer is wasting time DPSing when the tank falls flat on his face? Healer's fault. Either way, the result is the same, you end up with a wipe and there's usually a bit of bruised pride and finger-pointing involved.

But here's the problem: Anytime the Tank or the Healer do something that makes Survival more difficult places some of the blame on them. Should a wipe occur because of this, they are at fault at least partially. If a Tank dies because the healer was in mid-casting Stone IV, it's the Healer's fault. If a Tank dies when he has more than one group of mobs attacking him, and assuming he was the one who initiated combat with these mobs, or caused the situation that brought the extra mobs, then it is the Tank's fault. If both of the above happen, then the fault lies with both of them. Either way, a wipe happens because someone did something very wrong.

These mobs were not designed to be fought multiple groups at once. The pulls were designed to be pulled one at a time, fought, and then moved onto the next. Whenever large pulls are meant to be large, the mobs will oftentimes be designed in a way to make them much more reasonable. The playerbase is trying to dictate what should be pulled and what should not be pulled, but they do so at their own risk. Don't tell me to "git gud" when you decide to make things harder on yourself because you're in a freaking hurry, or you have ADHD or what-not that causes you to have such a low attention span and end up getting killed because of it.

If you pull a single group of mobs and you die while I was casting Holy or something, or if I OOM after spamming Holy, then I will gladly admit my failure. But if you fall flat on your face because you thought attacking 12+ mobs at once was a good idea... then sorry, nope. YOU are the one who needs to git gud.

[AxiomPITCH]

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As if people don't already understand what you said in this post. I thought that it is completely obvious that it's a team effort. Your post is a wall of assumptions, quite frankly pretty much entirely drivel, a hodgepodge of things that people who have a brain would already know. I play tank, healer, and dps jobs in all content. I know how to play this game. I just expect others to pull their part. Hence, the thread is over.

People like you, Maeka, need to learn that some people really do just need to "git gud." Not just whiny healers but also the bad tanks too. Simple as that. Stop complaining and FORCE the tank to live. I've done it in every single SB dungeon, I've done it with bad tanks who don't use cooldowns, I've done it with bad tanks who lose aggro. We have the tools, be creative and use them. If you're mad that you're pulling "extra work" or "carrying" then swap to another job. It's on you if you want to complain about the bad tank pulling everything. If you can't handle it, fine, say something. If the dps can't handle it, that's when you SHOULD say something. If things aren't dying quick enough, why even mass pull.

Honestly I don't even waste my time in parties like that anymore though, I just leave and go do something else. I use DF and PF and none of my parties have been as nightmarish in SB as people here would have you believe. It was worse at the end of HW. There's a common denominator in each and every one of these cases, and it's not the randoms that people here are grouped up with.