Not again...

[Cabalabob]

SE leave PLD alone, it's fine, just buff WAR and DRK!

They always do this, instead of just buffing the struggling jobs they also nerf the one that's doing fine and end up reversing the situation!

Q3. Currently Paladin feels like it excels both in offensive and defensive capabilities, are there any plans for adjustments to Warrior/Dark Knight?

A3. We will be increasing Warrior and Dark Knight damage.

Making the cast time for Paladin’s Holy Spirit so short made it too powerful, so we will be making adjustments around that point. We’ll also be removing the reduction in the Oath Gauge when switching oaths.

Warrior’s Shake It Off will be adjusted.
Plans for adjustments are currently being talked over, and will be implemented sometime after 4.05.

We have removed the halving of the Beast Gauge when changing stances.
Additionally, the potency during Storm’s Path combo will be increased starting 4.05.

Dark Knight will see potency increases in combo damage.

[Praesul]

That's like, the most extremely minor nerf they could have gone with. There is literally no reason to whine.

[Ragology]

We had one chance to keep all relevant discussion in a single topic.

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[Pence]

But you can't just keep buffing everyone........then you need to adjust all content because the average DPS is higher, etc etc etc. It's much, much easier to bring a job down then bring everyone else up

[Cabalabob]

But you can't just keep buffing everyone........then you need to adjust all content because the average DPS is higher, etc etc etc. It's much, much easier to bring a job down then bring everyone else up

Except they ARE buffing WAR and DRK, so just buff them, leave PLD alone. By nerfing PLD while buffing WAR and DRK it's just going to make PLD underperform. And right before the release of savage content this is going to lead to HW all over again where it's DRK/WAR only cause PLD doesn't bring as much dps.

[Synestra]

That's like, the most extremely minor nerf they could have gone with. There is literally no reason to whine.

Its not bad if we can still weave ogcd after each cast without it feeling clunky, currently casting and weaving feels so good so i hope we don't lose that, i would rather take potency nerf than losing that kind of gameplay.

[Alphras]

PLD will either need to do less damage than WAR and DRK or they need to give WAR and DRK utility comparable to PLD. Everyone wants the second solution, but from SEs point of view that is impossible until savage (they fucked up to much with the SB release).

And the problem of PLD in 3.x was never damage alone (except maybe A3 and A4 early progression), it was that the PLD utility also sucked compared to what DRK and especially WAR brought.

And I am happy that they seem to be going with desperately needed gameplay changes and slight buffs/nerfs first.

[eagledorf]

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It was simpler than that. PLD utility wasn't necessarily worse than DRK's, but they so utterly failed to balance MNK for 2 entire years compared to DRG so it ended up being that Reprisal+Delirium were vastly superior to anything PLD had mainly because it allowed you to bring DRG+NIN and buff your MCN's DPS. By the end of 3.xx balance was such utter trash that the best theoretical comp was basically something like WAR/WAR/AST/AST/NIN/DRG/MCN/BRD with no casters at all.

If only the things in the live letter happen (DRK DPS increased to "approach" PLD DPS, WAR buffed to higher than PLD numbers because the adjustment to IR means 7x Fell Cleave is going to be possible) it honestly sounds like SE is repeating the mistakes of the past 2 years. WAR/WAR will be ideal again and probably WAR/PLD will be the real best combination when you factor in the redundancy and the LB penalty. Just getting PLD in instead of DRK by punishing redundant jobs is not any kind of success, that's a massive, unqualified failure that should not be tolerated, DRK/PLD needs to be viable and WAR/WAR should not be what you would to bring if SE didn't punish you and force you to bring a PLD.

They've been making this mistake for 4 years. They need to get it through their heads that DPS and defensive utility are totally separate things and 1 has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. 2.0 WAR was totally trash because they failed to understand this and gave it no defensive buffs so it's DPS was useless when DS oneshotted it (also bizarre hate design for T4, but that's another discussion entirely). 3.0 PLD was trash for 2 entire years because they didn't understand this. Yoshida's failure to address SMN's lack of Sustain because "RDM is White Magic and Black Magic!" is just another aspect of this failure.

I am waiting for Tuesday and hope I'm wrong, but I have little optimism from Yoshida's attitude toward DRG and SMN. If that attitude extends to tanks then there's no hope for balance in the next 2 years either.

[SyzzleSpark]

Everyone wants the second solution

Speak for yourself. I didn't roll a job with a two-handed weapon to be out-damaged by a sword-and-board, personally.

[Alphras]

Well they tried to fix it. They buffed monk (literally?) every patch which in turn would have made PLD more relevant ... except that STR down was bad anyway...