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    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    Because:
    1) a tank can kite to lower dmg and ultimately prevent a wipe... but will typically lower the outgoing DPS as well. You want to prevent the tank from deciding to kite
    2) the overwhelming majority of the time, you can keep the tank at higher than a thread of hp, without impacting your DPS because you no longer need to be in cleric. There is no difference in HPS or DPS between [Holy, Holy, Cure II, Cure II, repeat] and [Holy, cure II, Holy, cure II, repeat] for example.
    The only downside to this is with the the loss of aero/bio/Combust weave opportunities have grown scarce. I really want to largesse and cast a heal but i need to wait until x amount of time to clip/reapply my dot or its a dps loss. Hang on tankb your buffed heal and ogcd is on its way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    The only downside to this is with the the loss of aero/bio/Combust weave opportunities have grown scarce. I really want to largesse and cast a heal but i need to wait until x amount of time to clip/reapply my dot or its a dps loss. Hang on tankb your buffed heal and ogcd is on its way.
    Seriously, you're worried about clipping Aero buffs that you want to wait to heal the tank?

    *sigh* That one or two ticks of Aero is... what a couple hundred damage? That is NOT going to make the dungeon any shorter whatsoever... meanwhile, the tank decides that he's too low and decides to pop a Clemency which then prevents him from using Requiscat sooner which is far more damaging than a tick or two of Aero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maeka View Post
    Seriously, you're worried about clipping Aero buffs that you want to wait to heal the tank?

    *sigh* That one or two ticks of Aero is... what a couple hundred damage? That is NOT going to make the dungeon any shorter whatsoever... meanwhile, the tank decides that he's too low and decides to pop a Clemency which then prevents him from using Requiscat sooner which is far more damaging than a tick or two of Aero.
    The only class who would have this issue is PLD. I mean sure if you want to waste a clemency after 5 minutes in a dungeon, where I have yet to let you die.

    Again, I said if the RATE of damage is LOW, I really don't care if they hit 20%. Taking 2% a second for example, because all of the mobs are dead but one.

    If a tank pld wants to punish him/herself because I am using my tools effectively, suck it up or "go in with your own healer."
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 07-15-2017 at 02:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    The only downside to this is with the the loss of aero/bio/Combust weave opportunities have grown scarce. I really want to largesse and cast a heal but i need to wait until x amount of time to clip/reapply my dot or its a dps loss. Hang on tankb your buffed heal and ogcd is on its way.
    But when tanking for a PUG idk if the heal isn't coming because a healer is trying to optimize or because the healer is bad. The tank is presented with a choice of trusting the healer which is an uncertainty, or addressing it issue themselves which is a certainty. No tank in their right mind is going to shoot for an insignificant weave optimization, if they believe a party wipe is possible.
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