SE's Responsibility: Housing Situation

[Hasrat]

As a Mateus main, my opinion (for what little it's worth) is that this is fine. I was a little bothered at first, before I knew more about it. But, they did this before the incentives or transfers happened. Up until last month (and even a few days up to a week after incentives), there were still plenty of empty plots to choose from in every ward. For Mateus as it was, this was in no way any real inconvenience.

Admittedly it'd be nice if they relinquished some to give all these new people an opportunity we've always said was available. But either way, due respect for going to all the trouble, and keeping them active.

[Venjamin]

Snip.

They were denied that for reasons of mass migration. There were plenty of spots available until the server was flooded with people. You're not complaining about them, just complaining about two people who are enjoying the game ( that thing you're saying they're supposed to deny themselves to give to others, while ignoring the obvious hypocrisy ).

No one is locked out of content. Join a FC, and voila, you have access to everything housing gives you except external decoration. Which, hey, they get an opportunity when Kugane opens up.

SE could have implemented housing entirely differently, so that everyone could get a house, rather than just restricting. At most, this is barring 24 other people from having houses. I wasn't aware that those 24 people were more important than these two, which you seem to be arguing for. It has nothing to do with 'basic decency' or a 'lack of compassion.' They put in the work. They bought the houses. There's nothing indecent or lacking in compassion. This is a GAME. You're not going to hit me with compassion arguments in a game where we are all as equal as we can be. The differences in this game are all about TIME AND EFFORT. Someone who's 70 doesn't have to run baby fates with other new players out of some sense of compassion. They can CHOOSE to, but shouldn't be guilted into it.

See, we all have equality of opportunity here. If you put in the time and effort, you get stuff. The exceptions are: First come, First served content like housing, or seasonal things. Are we supposed to cry if we missed out on Yokai equipment? "SE should just bring back every seasonal / special event, otherwise they're not being compassionate!" I don't have relic weapons capped out on all my characters because I wasn't willing to put in the effort. Should I just be given them because I want them? I'm effectively blocked from that content until I put in the work.

Just like all the new players that flooded in are blocked from content until they put in the work. ( You know, the work of getting the gil, finding a plot, etc. ) They shouldn't expect other people to give up their time and effort for them.

Again: No one was bitching until the server was flooded. If those people had chosen to upend themselves PRIOR to the giant move, they would have gotten housing. But they didn't want to make that sacrifice, and wanted to be handed stuff.

Snip.

Uh, the people that bought the houses are entitled to the houses they bought. End of discussion.

[Endeleon]

I find it so hilarious how everyone ignored and laughed at how small Mateus was... then it gets called the 2nd RP server and now y'all are mad at a couple that bought completely unwanted houses a long time ago? That's like being mad at George Washington because YOU want to be the first US President and it's not fair he did it first!

They are 100% within game rules. They did nothing wrong and now because you guys transferred without any research, you suddenly are pissed you can't have the gold strewn streets that were promised to you? Thanks for doing a great job in making the people who made Mateus home long before you even thought of coming feel completely unwelcome.

[EmoPanther]

I honestly don't see the problem with this. Mateus is my starting server, and ever since I've been here it's been deader than a door nail. No one had a problem with these two people buying all those plots, And no one cared. Because the world was dead. And now y'all come here crying about how it's unfair that these two grinded all their gil and bought the plots, and now there are none for the poor transfers who were late to the party? Tragic.

Y'all should be embarrassed.

[Endeleon]

It's laughably sad that people defend these actions because it's a video game, but if the same concepts were applied in real life they'd be enraged and disgusted. Must truly be a different world for the simple-minded.

OMG! Are you serious? Every single city in USA has enough empty, abandoned houses to home every single homeless person. And yet they sit, empty, because of greed. I don't see you blathering on in anger over that ACTUAL injustice to humanity? But you are so pissed at a couple buying fake houses in a fake world. mmk. I can see it's totally about the "issues" to you.

[JulyVantas]

Jesus, there are a lot of children here. Seriously I don't understand how either 'side' of this argument can't understand the other.


Yes, its perfectly acceptable for people to take the time and put in the effort to buy absurd amounts of shit. Is it a little bit rude? Sure, but again they put in the effort so they deserve it.


What isn't acceptable is their attitude. They could have taken the high road and simply stated their case in a mature manner but instead they chose to act like a bunch of snobby self entitled brats.

So yeah, I can see both sides of the argument.

[rxnin]

I honestly don't see the problem with this. Mateus is my starting server, and ever since I've been here it's been deader than a door nail. No one had a problem with these two people buying all those plots, And no one cared. Because the world was dead. And now y'all come here crying about how it's unfair that these two grinded all their gil and bought the plots, and now there are none for the poor transfers who were late to the party? Tragic.

Y'all should be embarrassed.

SO MUCH THIS. People transferring to Mateus, telling those two to release plots, and demanding to have a home, that's called ENTITLEMENT. Those two players who've been on Mateus for years have every right to purchase every single home on the server if they wanted to since it was so dead. They worked hard and didn't bother anybody. Now we have random mobs attacking them. Don't hate the player, hate the system. The system for housing is broken and it's SE's fault, not players who have multiple housing.

[Ramzakristos]

OK,first of all there is no exploration of the system.the fact that you guys smention it,tells me that you have no idea what it takes to have a house.kudos to Tavey for mentioning the requirements tomown one.

Here is the deal folks ,if you have !orenthen one house its because you nusyed your ago have it.instead of complaining that other people have houses,go out there and work for it.invest your time and you shall receive.it's that simple.
I would like to say I have no house or fc house bute I do understand this game is built on hard work and rejects the pay to win model.

[Endeleon]

What isn't acceptable is their attitude. They could have taken the high road and simply stated their case in a mature manner but instead they chose to act like a bunch of snobby self entitled brats.

So yeah, I can see both sides of the argument.

I'm confused how they acted entitled at all? That they defended their work? That they ever deemed it was ok to buy houses literally no one wanted?

They said people can come and go as they please, even use it for RP when they don't RP themselves. How is it snobby to say they wont give up houses they worked hard for? It's not as if they bought the houses with RMT which um... a lot of these balmung refugees can't claim with a clear conscience. Might as well ask people on the MB to give up those items they worked hard for, I don't have any, why should they have more than one!

[AstroZombie]

Before moving to Balmung I used to own multiple houses on Zalera including mansions, which was very nearly as dead as Mateus, and for a time my FC owned the majority of one of the wards too- all just so we could decorate multiple homes because we enjoyed it. No one cared. At all. There was still other housing available, some of which would probably never have been used to this day if not for the recent transfer incentives, the same was true of Mateus.

Why wouldnt a player who enjoys home decorating buy a second/third/fourth dead plot that you know nobody will touch otherwise? How are they supposed to have the magical insight that a big group of people will transfer to a dead server? If square hadn't added the incentives to transfer Mateus would still be dead to this day and none of you would even know these two dudes bought all those houses to begin with- So how on earth should they have known?