MATERIA for RARE/EX GEAR

[Khal_Drogo]

I guess I just don't understand why people want crafted gear to be so much better than dropped gear. High tier materia are far too powerful to be completely restricted from u/u stuff. It's dumb that you can get better items than any piece of dropped equipment in the game without even leaving town.

lol dude...I love the way you put it. What a perfect picture of how stupid the materia system is on tradable vs. non-tradable gear. That's my biggest "beef" with this system -next to the issue of rendering HQ gear, pretty much, useless (simply because it isn't a viable option to risk something like HQ+3 on a forbidden attachment). This current system pretty much eliminated the need to "ever leave town." Ya, you need to level, but the fact that you can out-class another player's gear w/o ever having set foot in a boss fight just sounds stupid. Although, the idea that someone can go buy a handful of nq items, a handful of materia, and eventually come out w/ a piece of gear that completely dwarfs it's HQ-non forbidden materia'd counterpart is pretty ridiculous too. What's the point of HQ gear when you probably have a better chance of getting 3 tier IVs on a nq version of the same piece, than you ever do of getting even 2 on an HQ+3 (assuming you don't have loads of gil to blow on some completely irrational crafting attempt).

[Brannigan]

Yoshi-P has stated that PVP is coming, and we have to account for this. It wouldn't make sense if we had an Ifrit Lance with the best Grade 4 materia you could find, and it would drub the crap out of everything it came up against. That would be an instant I-Win button that people do not want to see.

Okay, first of all - PVP is so far out it shouldn't even be considered. It'll likely have its own gear and skillsets so I don't even know why you're worrying about it.

Second - it's SUPPOSED to be better than some crafted generic lance. That's why it's much harder to get. If dropped items are all crap compared to some mass-produced thing with materia attached (and the materia COMES FROM mass produced stuff in the first place) then what the hell is the point of even doing a fight like Ifrit or Darkhold or whatever more than once?

Like, just as an example: currently I am wearing Sentinel Greaves, Belt, and Gauntlets. I got very lucky and got the belt on my first key, but for my gauntlets and greaves I had to camp them for several hours. If they were u/u then there's no way in hell I would have ever done that (and no way I'd even consider equipping them). The only reason they're worth squat is because the base stats are slightly better than the crafted equivalent and they can have materia attached. I won't risk blowing them up by trying to forbidden them, and crafted forbidden gear would stomp all over them.

[Firon]

There are alot of armor thats alrdy better than materia gear people are just looking @ numbers and not overall stats.

Like the Mage body drop from darkhold gives + int mnd and pie thats +1 to 5 stats vs sloting 20 PIE or something to mage body which only gives you +4 to a single stats not all U/U gear is useless.

[Khal_Drogo]

There are alot of armor thats alrdy better than materia gear people are just looking @ numbers and not overall stats.

Like the Mage body drop from darkhold gives + int mnd and pie thats +1 to 5 stats vs sloting 20 PIE or something to mage body which only gives you +4 to a single stats not all U/U gear is useless.

That would make a lot of sense, if it was even remotely true. Unfortunately, you're forgetting that you have multiple slots to get those attributes buffed as well..... And if you go for lower tiers, like the IIs for example, you can get 3 slots filled quite easily. So, now you're talking about 7+ points to at least 3 separate attributes, or +7ish to 2 stats, and then +5 or so magic accy, or w/e else you want... as opposed to the "crappy" Revolutionary Bliaud from DH.

[Treach]

@Brannigan

He is only mad cause he can't kill ifrit, pay no attention.

[Khal_Drogo]

@Brannigan

He is only mad cause he can't kill ifrit, pay no attention.

Ya, I dunno why he'd be opposed to that sort of thing anyway...That's the whole point of non-crafted gear. It's supposed to be hard to get, and it's supposed to be an "instant I-win" for those that have worked hard to get it. And, honestly...if SE would figure out a way to cut down on button-smashing attack spam, ppl w/o good wpns might have a way to out-class "crappy players" with good gear. That's one thing I hate, even more than this materia crap: all it takes to be "good" in this game (against single targets) is time put into lvling a job, and gear. Playing the actual class requires no skill at all, hardly. You just have to spam....

[Firon]

That would make a lot of sense, if it was even remotely true. Unfortunately, you're forgetting that you have multiple slots to get those attributes buffed as well..... And if you go for lower tiers, like the IIs for example, you can get 3 slots filled quite easily. So, now you're talking about 7+ points to at least 3 separate attributes, or +7ish to 2 stats, and then +5 or so magic accy, or w/e else you want... as opposed to the "crappy" Revolutionary Bliaud from DH.

Except every 5 of a pie int or mnd = 1 to the corresponding stat , unless you are sloting 4 +20 stats to an armor its not gonna beat that. Also your argument makes no sense melding more than 1 materia is suppose to be better than U/U lol

If anything they should leave U/U armor none materia and add stat bonus for maxing out the items spiritbond i would like that better.

[Khal_Drogo]

Except every 5 of a pie int or mnd = 1 to the corresponding stat , unless you are sloting 4 +20 stats to an armor its not gonna beat that. Also your argument makes no sense melding more than 1 materia is suppose to be better than U/U lol

If anything they should leave U/U armor none materia and add stat bonus for maxing out the items spiritbond i would like that better.

Again...not trying to be rude, but what are you talking about? What your saying would mean that any and ALL int/mnd/pie would be useless if they were not in increments of "5" anything beyond or below an increment of 5 would be pointless, which isn't the case. Each attribute has more functionality than simply "buffing" it's corresponding stat. Vitality does more than just boost hp; Str does more than just boost atk, etc. So, you can simply go for a handful of each attribute and still end up with a much better piece of gear. It's easier to explain if I just show you.

Revolutionary's Bliaud:

Defense 112
Intelligence 5
Mind 5
Piety 5
Magic Accuracy 4
Magic Evasion 4
Parry 4


Felt Robe (Green):

Defense 99
MP 54
Attack Magic Potency 8
Magic Evasion 8

Magic Accy 3; Int+7ish; Pie+7ish

There's 3 Tier II materia (which is NOT hard to do at all) on an easily crafted robe, and it completely dwarfs the Rev. Bliaud. It has 1 less magic accy, but 8 more magic attk potency; it has twice the magic eva; it has 1.5 times the int and piety; and best of all...it has an extra 54 mp. It doesn't have 5 mnd, but that can easily be made up for w/ some healing potency+ materia somewhere else, and a lot more than 13 def can be added to a shield if you use wands for your cnj/thm, so you'd have to be a complete idiot to go for U/U, when you can probably go buy all the mats for the felt i just described and have it made tonight. As for the parry +4...who are we trying to kid; your cnj/thm isn't gonna ever parry s!@$ lol.

[Firon]

Again...not trying to be rude, but what are you talking about? What your saying would mean that any and ALL int/mnd/pie would be useless if they were not in increments of "5" anything beyond or below an increment of 5 would be pointless, which isn't the case. Each attribute has more functionality than simply "buffing" it's corresponding stat. Vitality does more than just boost hp; Str does more than just boost atk, etc. So, you can simply go for a handful of each attribute and still end up with a much better piece of gear. It's easier to explain if I just show you.

Revolutionary's Bliaud:

Defense 112
Intelligence 5
Mind 5
Piety 5
Magic Accuracy 4
Magic Evasion 4
Parry 4


Felt Robe (Green):

Defense 99
MP 54
Attack Magic Potency 8
Magic Evasion 8

Magic Accy 3; Int+7ish; Pie+7ish

There's 3 Tier II materia (which is NOT hard to do at all) on an easily crafted robe, and it completely dwarfs the Rev. Bliaud. It has 1 less magic accy, but 8 more magic attk potency; it has twice the magic eva; it has 1.5 times the int and piety; and best of all...it has an extra 54 mp. It doesn't have 5 mnd, but that can easily be made up for w/ some healing potency+ materia somewhere else, and a lot more than 13 def can be added to a shield if you use wands for your cnj, so you'd have to be a complete idiot to go for U/U, when you can probably go buy all the mats for the felt i just described and have it made tonight.






And besides that,

Like i said thats the rewards for getting 3 materia on there..... With just 1 materia attached the U/U robe is better...

[Khal_Drogo]

Like i said thats the rewards for getting 3 materia on there..... With just 1 materia attached the U/U robe is better...

Once again dude, we're talking about tier II materia....don't forget. That's ridiculous. All it takes is a handful of some of the shittiest inexpensive mats that any jack a@! can get his hands on, and you can completely dominate U/U? That sounds good to you? It is not hard to do 3 tier IIs. I did 2 tier IIIs on lots of stuff already. Not to mention, I was underselling the stats on tier II, just in case I didn't remember how high the tier IIs went before they went to tier III. You might be able to get 5 mnd/int/pie off of tier Is....