Halve mana on stance swap

[whiskeybravo]

I'm for Unchained being separated from Inner Release, but meta wise, Unchained is actually a DPS loss. What the meta groups would do is have the WAR open with Tomahawk+Equilibrium while having a NIN use Shadewalker. Unchained is good for pugs though.

It's a dps loss when you can just jump through a hoop of fire on one leg while balancing 3 glasses of milk and an egg on your forehead instead.

I still think unchained is a strong cd, no other tank can ignore their tank stance damage penalty. If top end meta players aren't going to use unchained anyways, then it's basically just a QOL change for those of us in the middle. I mean I'm not saying I'd be pissed or happy if they do or don't change it, literally makes no difference to me. I just see it leading to more convoluted technique finagling if they both reduced/eliminated the cost of swapping stances and untied IR/Unchained. And it provides further incentive to tank in deliverance as much as possible which I think is the exact opposite direction the devs intended by the changes.

[AdamZ]

I still think unchained is a strong cd, no other tank can ignore their tank stance damage penalty.

And it provides further incentive to tank in deliverance as much as possible which I think is the exact opposite direction the devs intended by the changes.

I would actually disagree with this statement now. This was true in 2.0 and 3.0, but for 4.0 consider the case of WAR and Pally. For a similar amount of time that WAR has access to unchained (20 seconds every 2 min), Pally has Requiescat, Holy Spam in tank stance. (24 seconds every 2 min) The 20% buff actually outweighs the 15% damage reduction. So you are basically getting the 24 seconds of 450 potency attacks. This is much less then the WAR Unchain buff which would just remove the damage down from tank stance, on a average combo potency of only 197.

Requiescat, Holy Spam is comparable to WAR Fell rotations, but WAR can only access these in dps stance (which is kind of the big problem people raise with WAR design when now balancing to the other two).

WAR have ALL the reason now to only ever tank/be in deliverance....

I really have no idea where you are going with these, or if you understand the job. We basically said, "we want these for QoL", you said "all you want is dps increase", then we explained them, and you are like "all it is, is QoL"....... well yes.....

[whiskeybravo]

I really have no idea where you are going with these, or if you understand the job. We basically said, "we want these for QoL", you said "all you want is dps increase", then we explained them, and you are like "all it is, is QoL"....... well yes.....

That's probably because I have my own internal confusions about how I feel on the whole mess myself lol

On one hand, I don't really care what they change. I'm going to play the way I play either way, just as I am now. On the other hand, I understand completely the concept and purpose of the dps-meta tanking, I just don't agree with it. It feels inherently wrong to me for some reason. I worked extremely hard maximizing my dps on dragoon, an actual strength and dps based job. The only way you push tank dps is by causing undue stress on other party members, specifically healers. It's fine in a group setting, nothing wrong with it at all if everyone agrees, but it shouldn't be the "norm" in my opinion. The reason I quit tanking in HW was because I was not about to drop millions on crafted accessories, force my healers to stress over my squishy ass, or beg monks and drgs to pass on their accessory drops so I could equip them. It's silly for many reasons (in my opinion). So if I can be a voice against that then I will be.

I guess I'm also mystified (but not really) that some people, including myself, can look at the changes and say "I can make this work". While others look at the exact same changes and scream how broken it all is. It's kind of like, 10 years ago you bought a game and played it the way it was. Now you buy a game and if you don't like it you flock to the devs and demand they change it to suit what you want. :/

So yea, if I come off as inconsistent those are some reasons why. But, we are also allowed to change our minds right? (or be proven wrong?)