SB is great, but are there any plans to shake up the endgame formula?

[Shurrikhan]

Well that's easy to answer.

You can either repeat the same old content over and over for tokens or you can repeat the same old content over and over for RNG drops.

I'm sure there are technically a few other methods, even if they amount to the same. For instance, there are many shades to said RNG (normative, personal loot, hidden DKP, etc.), or content may award achievement points (difference being simply that there may be multiple levels of currency rewards for a given dungeon, based on how it is played — i.e. WoW:WoD Challenge dungeons — or able to award more challenging content during certain times even when no longer modern — similar to WT, if it gave current and useful rewards) of a sort usable as currency for gear, RNG manipulation, or quests/missions/etc. that reward the gear.

But in the end, yes, of course. It all sadly boils down to how many hours per period the game will optimally require from you to maintain your position in terms of gear, etc., and with what range or standard deviation. Everything beyond that is content release speed.

[Mikhaill]

This is exactly what Yoshida was looking to create. He has said it before: he does not wish to create a game that requires you to log in everyday because he firmly believes you cannot reasonably do this. He wants people to be able to play other games, or socialize without feeling like they are bound to the game. Yoshida believes it makes the game boring. The issue at hand is people play MMOs like they are addicted and constantly need something to feed their addiction.

He really should stop that way of thinking, right now. He's been doing the same song and dance for 4 years now and it's time to stop.
He should want people to play more and enjoy the game that he has. We're paying to play it anyways. If he feels that way, then he should make it F2P.
Often times, people will WANT to play more because of the sub but now. I'm just upset he's still playing safe.

To those who keep saying "Y U RUSSIAN?"
Well firstly, going at a handicapped Snails Pace does nothing.
What you want us to do? Wait until 7.0 to beat 4.0 final boss and take teeny baby steps from there on?
I'll just quit like I do whenever I get bored, and return when my interest in piqued.
Last time it was 8 months then I returned to SB. I'd hope of SB he'd try something new.
I mean, it doesn't take an Oracle to figure out what's on the agenda of upcoming content.
It's kinda sad really. I knew the pattern of 3.0 the entire time, hence me quitting that long.

[bswpayton]

He really should stop that way of thinking, right now. He's been doing the same song and dance for 4 years now and it's time to stop.
He should want people to play more and enjoy the game that he has. We're paying to play it anyways. If he feels that way, then he should make it F2P.
Often times, people will WANT to play more because of the sub but now. I'm just upset he's still playing safe.

your saying exactly what I said in my other post its just a difference in people who love the game and enjoy it for whatever reason and just people who are gamers. I love this game its the only one I play Im not leaving I have more an issue with the community than the method of which content is released.

You guys are being silly other games have far less content, and they keep people around because they force people into playing the story line over and over again because they lock the jobs per character. Me coming from swtor SE has way more content to do than that game had when I left so I dont see the issue here, Ive tried other games as well and most of them the idea of more content was simply run the same story line over and over again just on a different character an alt one.

Many people seem to compare this game to games that dont even exist and or wow which is prob the only game with more content, all other mmos seem to have way less content than this one. So I just dont understand all the gripping about this content cycle who does it better I never hear many people say who provides more content. If you dont raid savage included , play every job in the game craft gather, play the market board, study ur rotations master your jobs then thats a player issue not SE.

[TheJarvisMan]

Hi! OP here. Having read through all these responses, I think a lot of folks have missed my point. My problem is not lack of content in SB. There was tons, and I feel I got my money's worth for what I spent on SB. My problem is with the recycled endgame formula that adds nothing new to the time-gated grind. FFXIV's endgame character progression formula is purely just doing the same assigned chores for a set amount of tokens that are capped for a certain time period over and over.

I hear you saying there are other things to do, and I agree! I participate in lots of those activities. However, what interests me most in MMORPGs is progressing my character, and I feel FFXIV's system for this at endgame leaves a lot to be desired... at least in my opinion. The fluff content will only hold my attention for a short time until other games seem more appealing. Some of you have pointed out that this is a developer decision and is by design. I accept that. I just wish it wasn't so.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Yeah, i hope they do something. The only thing in the game that takes any real time to complete is savage, and they have stripped out almost every reason to do it by putting in normal mode. If 4.1 is just more casual fluff content, I can see a lot of people not being very happy. Hopefully they have taken the pleas for more challenging 4 man content seriously and not just give us another potd where you go in and 1 shot everything in sight and beat the whole thing in 2 hours.

[Reaperking386]

They did try new things and are usually trying to find content that sticks. Diadem was on of the first, but it was a disaster due to players always picking the most opt way instead of the sand box SE has in mind. Deep dungeon was the last successful content they had for heavensward and it did stick. They just need to update it to stormblood. I think it's just a gamble, sometimes they hit and sometimes they miss.

[Sylvaneste]

I agree 1000%. I just let my sub go a few days ago. I bought the CE edition of SB, got blocked by Raubahn savage for the entire EA period. (Giving me flashbacks to the 18 hour log in q's of ARR CE launch.

I have completed the MSQ for sb, loving it, my WHM main is full 310 gear.

I have zero interest in doing all the req's to even get flying in SB.

I gave up on crafting cause mandatory cross class skills. Want to be an epic goldsmith, better learn how to be a master chef first!

I just completed my delta's last night for the week after i resubbed, and i have no desire to log in now. Cause i know, any other classes I get to 60, will suck for another full month, until i can get my whm geared, then i can start another classes weekly lock out.

Honestly, these lock out just piss me off, teh housing pisses me off, the lack of being able to go back to old content for items pisses me off (cause not very many want to music farm old content, or minions).

I have had this problem with ff14 for a long time. Everything, "nifty" is super locked, not only behind weekly lock outs, but add in to that, group content, then add to that RNG!

I really feel like a hamster in a damn wheel when i log in to play now. Constantly being told I cannot do what I want to do, simply because SE wants my sub money to last longer.

Honestly, just let us play the game. Stop locking everything. Especially if not 100% of the profit from ff14 is not being put back into ff14 to make it better.

[Tint]

They did try new things and are usually trying to find content that sticks. Diadem was on of the first, but it was a disaster due to players always picking the most opt way instead of the sand box SE has in mind.

i wish they would bring a diadem for only 4 and / or 8 people and remove the flying completely. too many people on the map who zerged the monsters to death and being able to skip the whole thing by just flying through the air destroyed the content.

[Alleo]

I really hope that with the rest of SB they finally try to get away from old patterns and try something new (but more thought out than Diadem..). They played it save for their first expansion but there is a time where you have to go out of your comfort zone and try something new. Lets hope that Eureka is at least a bit more fun than Diadem..

[Skivvy]

I don't see people's obsession with potd I was in it like twice and never went back.

It's boring as sin, but quick exp for DPS. Maybe some people truly enjoy it, but I only suffered with it for the quick queues.