The "Hand-out" sacks from Potd.

[Krotoan]

I think the point he is trying to make....

I'd say it sounds more like:
a. "I can't sell crafted weapons or the mats for these weapons at a ridiculous price anymore"
or
b. "a lot of other people have this weapon, so now it doesn't feel special and I don't want that"


perhaps I'm being too cynical?


My EX Ravana gun is still as cool as it ever was. I put in lots of barely finished and FC organized runs to get it. Am i sour now that people can go in and run it unsynched to get the same gun for almost no effort or get handed it just out of some RNG bag? Naw.

[Lildragora]

I'd say it sounds more like:
a. "I can't sell crafted weapons or the mats for these weapons at a ridiculous price anymore"
or
b. "a lot of other people have this weapon, so now it doesn't feel special and I don't want that"


perhaps I'm being too cynical?


My EX Ravana gun is still as cool as it ever was. I put in lots of barely finished and FC organized runs to get it. Am i sour now that people can go in and run it unsynched to get the same gun for almost no effort or get handed it just out of some RNG bag? Naw.

I was going of the reasoning he gave instead of possible tone. You could be right for point a or b, however I still feel the better way to handle would be choice material drops instead of giving out items crafters have to spend a lot of gil on to make. Either way it doesn't affect me, I happily got the 3 mog weps I wanted from PotD. I still feel the same way on the matter though.

[Krotoan]

I was going of the reasoning he gave instead of possible tone. You could be right for point a or b, however I still feel the better way to handle would be choice material drops instead of giving out items crafters have to spend a lot of gil on to make. Either way it doesn't affect me, I happily got the 3 mog weps I wanted from PotD. I still feel the same way on the matter though.

The demand will fall, the mats will get cheaper and the crafters will still make a profit. Or .. the price will fall beyond crystal/cluster costs and crafters will move on to another source of profit. I'm not seeing a downside for anyone but the people who depended solely on huge windfalls from farming/crafting those particular weapons.
I'll always stand by making things more available to all players instead of weighing it in the favor of "hardcore" or "elite" people.

[Lildragora]

The demand will fall, the mats will get cheaper and the crafters will still make a profit. Or .. the price will fall beyond crystal/cluster costs and crafters will move on to another source of profit. I'm not seeing a downside for anyone but the people who depended solely on huge windfalls from farming/crafting those particular weapons.
I'll always stand by making things more available to all players instead of weighing it in the favor of "hardcore" or "elite" people.

Soooooo making the materials easier to obtain doesn't achieve the same thing while still giving meaning to the crafting recipes? This has nothing to do with hardcore or elite players. Whatever floats your boat though.

[Krotoan]

Soooooo making the ...

hardcore people spend more time playing: more time to farm mats
Elite people can farm harder encounters: more drops of "hard to get" mats/items
It's very relevant to the economy of the items.

I'm still confused what you mean by "giving meaning to the crafting recipes"

The content has been around for a long time, for a while they were the only way to get those weapons. Now the weapons are much easier to attain. Their time as a "premium" weapon has expired.

I'm failing to see how 3 types of weapons being devalued hurts you so much as a crafter. Yes, you might have lost 3 (ok ok, like.. 30 something different weapons I get it) , likely very lucrative , sources of income. But you don't SPECIALIZE in mog weapons. It's not a job or a class. You're a BSM or a GSM, find another rare thing?

Maybe I don't understand because I don't craft ONLY. But it sounds greedy to forever want something rare just so you can ride that demand.

[Lildragora]

Stuff said here.

Again, no correlation to hardcore or elite farming as the context is making mats easier to obtain through PotD, and if you fail to see how giving mats instead of the final product gives a recipe more meaning there's nothing left I can say to you on that matter.

But you're right; it is greedy to want something to be rare forever, which giving mats achieves the same thing without devaluing the crafters time as much. Again if you cant see this I dont know what to tell you.

As a side note I only level crafts to have max level crafts. I make my money through other means so this really doesn't affect me at all.

[Krotoan]

other stuff

I'm saying the PoTD dropping the weapons drops value of mats, so the more hardcore/elite players don't have such a monopoly on the supply of those weapons which I support. I apologize If I didn't make that as clear as I should have. I understand getting mats means people will have to ask crafters to make the weapon instead of just having the weapon. I don't think it makes the recipe useless to HAVE though. If you get the mats you can still use them. But many weapons have alternate easier methods of acquiring them now.

I see how it would "devalue" the crafters time IF they ONLY farmed those weapons and spent all their time trading in the items that suddenly have become cheap. Otherwise the crafter should move on to more valuable crafts.
EG: Table Orchestrions. In demand, valuable stuff and the mats are farmable. I don't think they drop anywhere either.

[JockHarley]

The demand will fall, the mats will get cheaper and the crafters will still make a profit. Or .. the price will fall beyond crystal/cluster costs and crafters will move on to another source of profit. I'm not seeing a downside for anyone but the people who depended solely on huge windfalls from farming/crafting those particular weapons.
I'll always stand by making things more available to all players instead of weighing it in the favor of "hardcore" or "elite" people.

how is that elite?: sounds more like someone wanted profit for crafting, this is a reasonable request, so is yours to keep it the way it is now.

[Krotoan]

how is that elite?....

I'm not calling OP elitist. Their request is reasonable and well thought out. what I'm saying is just because one recipe is devalued doesn't mean they all are. There are new things to go farm and profit off. I like when older content is made available to a wider swath of the population.

Elite/hardcore players (this is not a negative title, just a a classification) will usually control a lot of "rare' items in any given games since it's these people who put those items into the markplace. They have the time/skills/organization to get the mats beyond their current needs and as such will put those mats on whatever market board has been implemented. Current example: Minion Lakshmi and Susano are SUPER expensive right now because you need their EX drops and a high crafting class. However I don't think that control should last forever.

[JockHarley]

I'm not calling OP elitist. Their request is reasonable and well thought out. what I'm saying is just because one recipe is devalued doesn't mean they all are. There are new things to go farm and profit off. I like when older content is made available to a wider swath of the population.

Elite/hardcore players (this is not a negative title, just a a classification) will usually control a lot of "rare' items in any given games since it's these people who put those items into the markplace. They have the time/skills/organization to get the mats beyond their current needs and as such will put those mats on whatever market board has been implemented. Current example: Minion Lakshmi and Susano are SUPER expensive right now because you need their EX drops and a high crafting class. However I don't think that control should last forever.

oh I see, ty for clearing that up for me