Some interesting numbers on 4.0 BLM

[Azyael]

Thanks for the rotation!
I tried it last night and ended up doing ALOT more damage with the added benefits of being able to move without fearing the loss of a Fire IV

Before I was doing around 3.5 - 3.6k dps in Omega2 after the change it was 4.1 - 4.2k.

Still pretty salty that a pseudo 3.0+4.0 rotation does more DPS than the harder and less lenient 4.0 rotation though.
Also pretty salty that alot of Statics aren't interested in BLMs

Also since this new rotation is much more lenient and 4.0 is only used with LL or Triple is there any reason to stack spell speed after getting about a 2.3s cast time on Fire 1?

[Karja]

I would just wait and see what the Patch Notes look like. Maybe SE changes a few things like Astral Fire duration which could change things.

[Galvuu]

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I'm afraid we bring nothing noteworthy to a more serious group.
MNK and SAM put us in the dumpster in dps, RDM, BRD and even SMN beat us in utility, so...
Let's see if we're buffed so we can at least try to challenge SAM's spots.

[Ali5553]

Usually i don't reply in this forums, however this time its an intriguing discussion. so i have ran quite a few rotation until i settled with this one as an opener:
Pre B3->enoch->T3->swift B4->sharp->Ley->F3->triple->F4x2->F1->F4x4->F3 proc->convert->F4x2->B3 and than roll with 3.0 rotation. However after 2 fouls, the third one is usually still in progress by about 2 seconds so in that case i use the following rotation:
in UI3:
T3->B4->F3->F4->F4->swift+Flare->F4->B3->Foul->T3-B4->and than starting the semi opener combo.

by doing this you buy like 10 seconds time for your next foul and return to use the one that is ready quickly and start using the semi-opener. instead of using 6 fire 4's and fire. which generally takes longer and delays the use of Ley Lines and triple.
since i don't have the spreadsheet i don't know if this is actually a good response PPS wise.

P.S.
with semi-opener i mean:
sharp-ley-triple->F4x2->F1->F4x4->F3proc

[Elendil_Voronda]

There are a few errors in your math in the cast/recast times, and also you are not taking into account that Astral Fire 3 reduces Ice Spells Cast Time by 50%, and same applies to Umbral Ice and Fire Spells.

But even after fixing it the conclusion is similar. 4.x Rotation Is a tad lower than 3.x one, maybe tied up If we take into account you wont have Foul every time up. I would just clean up your calculation to make the post of even greater value

[Galvuu]

There are a few errors in your math in the cast/recast times, and also you are not taking into account that Astral Fire 3 reduces Ice Spells Cast Time by 50%, and same applies to Umbral Ice and Fire Spells.

But even after fixing it the conclusion is similar. 4.x Rotation Is a tad lower than 3.x one, maybe tied up If we take into account you wont have Foul every time up. I would just clean up your calculation to make the post of even greater value

I am. That's why F3 and B3 come off with a 2.5second cast time. What do you mean by "recast times"? I didn't account for Swiftcast/Triple usage (they won't be up for every rotation, you probably want to save one of them to deal with mechanics, and yada yada).
I did not, truthfully, account for spell speed. But we're not in a secondary stat range where this is significant enough.
This is an honest question; if there's an error, I want to rectify it, but I need you to be a little bit more specific

[Oniji]

I haven't played BLM since 3.x, but just want to give some feedback. Comparing "DPS" or pps between 3.x and 4.x is moot. It can be tempting and deceiving to compare them directly in isolation. SE will tweak potency numbers to balance the current state of the jobs relative to one another, not themselves into the past. So saying that 4.x has X pps more/less than 3.x can be deceiving without looking it within the context relative to the other jobs during their respective patches. That said, there is merit in stating that playing a BLM in 4.x is harder at the baseline than in 3.x.

Thanks for the post, looking forward to getting my hands on BLM in 4.x and seeing how it feels.

[Karja]

People aren't comparing numbers from 3.x to 4.x though, people compare the rotation we used in 3.x to the rotation everyone assumes SE had in mind when they designed 4.x.
The whole debate is about using or not using B4 to gain umbral hearts.

[RyeMinx]

I haven't played BLM since 3.x, but just want to give some feedback. Comparing "DPS" or pps between 3.x and 4.x is moot. It can be tempting and deceiving to compare them directly in isolation. SE will tweak potency numbers to balance the current state of the jobs relative to one another, not themselves into the past. So saying that 4.x has X pps more/less than 3.x can be deceiving without looking it within the context relative to the other jobs during their respective patches. That said, there is merit in stating that playing a BLM in 4.x is harder at the baseline than in 3.x.

Thanks for the post, looking forward to getting my hands on BLM in 4.x and seeing how it feels.

I think you misunderstood the post. We aren't compared BLM PPS in 3.x to BLM PPS in 4.0. We are comparing the rotations we used in 3.x (F4-F4-F1-F4-F4) to the rotations provided in 4.0 (F4-F4-F4-F1-F4-F4-F4). And based on evidence, as long as SpS doesn't get too high, the 3.x rotation is a higher pps currently.

[Kabooa]

I will have 2000ish Spellspeed once I get my Omega pants. This should bump me to a 10% casting speed bonus or a 2.25 GCD. However, as someone noted, you'll likely need closer to a 2.1/2.0 GCD to minimize the Umbral ice phase in the B4 rotations. Much of the PPS gain is the fact that you only spend 1 tick in Ice instead of 3-4. (B3 -> Foul (1tick) -> Thunder (1tick) -> B4 (1tick) -> F3)

However it seems worth noting that secondary stat gains per 10 ilvl seem far less drastic in SB than they have in HW. (+2/+3 on accessories when it was closer to +4/+5). It may be the secondary jumps are more drastic on tiers rather than on 'upgrades', but we'll know for certain when Savage items are dropped.