I actually enjoy SMN.

[fumofu]

Your mostly alone, mainly because you lack the knowledge to have an informed opinion on the state of summoners.

Must be my lack of knowledge too, cos I actually enjoy playing SMN and don't really care about most of 'bad stuff' that you listed in your next post. Yes, I used to play SMN both in 2.x and 3.x eras, but i still don't really miss anything SMN lost, because it's not like this job didn't get anything in return and every other job lost something too for the sake of progress.

[Mnemosynia]

Must be my lack of knowledge too, cos I actually enjoy playing SMN and don't really care about most of 'bad stuff' that you listed in your next post. Yes, I used to play SMN both in 2.x and 3.x eras, but i still don't really miss anything SMN lost, because it's not like this job didn't get anything in return and every other job lost something too for the sake of progress.

You quoted my post nicely, and my operative word was Mostly there are exceptions to all rules, and i would say the majority of SMN are unhappy, DRK with out a doubt the DRK community is dissatisfied with the class there are people who enjoy the changes, but most players do not and you can see it you browse the forums or goto reddit or any other community site, even the japanese are disliking these changes.

[Dohmi-Zeiva]

Interesting thoughts. I did, albeit for a short time,experience most of what you listed.

I guess the short lived time of 3.0 didnt leave me nostalgic. I'll never know.

Anywho. Thanks for your words.

[Fatshine]

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Nailed it. I loved Summoner so much that I didn't even get a chance to level Black Mage to 60 by the time I quit shortly after HW release. It's crazy how much is gone after a 2 year break. I remember the good old days of SMN FCOB strains and pushing DPS while having MP issues, then 3.0 gracing us with amazing buffs and new skills.

[NoxLumina]

New Summoner makes me sad. The class felt great before Stormblood now it's all clunky and meh.

[Sunako]

I start the game with summoner 2013 and it is still my main. Have liked playing it in every expansion.

[Chimiko]

Summoner is fun to play. However its heavily punished for mistakes and timings, thats the only issue i have with it. They set out to make the skill cap lower for new players to get into the game. I'll argue that the diffrence between a good summoners and a bad summoners are even larger now than it was before.

[Scarabea]

Scummoner

This is not BnS :P

[Neela]

You quoted my post nicely, and my operative word was Mostly there are exceptions to all rules, and i would say the majority of SMN are unhappy

and I would say the majority of smn you are talking about were just winning team joiners at HW. Though the ones who played it before it became that powerful with HW were used to be "weak" and "broke" before and don't care about the complains which fill ups the forums nowadays.

those who like the lore and everything around it - I think there are more than enough but less will post here to avoid complainers discussions.

[Blueyes]

Truthfully, I think Summoner feels better in PvP than it does in PvE. And what I mean by that is the way the abilities are used in that environment. Rather than casting Ruin as a filler spell, Ruin III is used which is both strong and visually interesting. Then during Dreadwyrm Trance, Ruin IV is spammed rather than being locked behind a random proc. In addition, only a single use of Deathflare is needed to summon Bahamut, thus summoned twice as frequently, but with only one use Ahk Morn once rather than two. Less burst when Bahamut is out, but more consistent sustained damage with a satisfying flow.