Shirk is amazing. (Ethics)

[FPZ]

2 Of your points are the same.
3 Out of 4 of your points require 1 or both tanks to be bad.
And lastly, no it does not allow you to start the fight without tank stance.

As for the dps gain portion wouldn't taking about cd that reducing damage taken be a better dps gain due to the ability to stay out of tank stance longer?
I have got to say people are going about like we needed this for the past 3 years, tank swap is easy and so far remains to be easy shirk is a wasted slot mainly because of the job that it does can be handled with provoke which your bringing anyways, regardless of circumstance or comp or the fight.

Which allows you to put lets see any other role skill in that slot.
Redundant utility is just that redundant.

Nitpicking because you can't counter it?
Another immature response with no hard information to back it up, nice job ignoring my post.
Lastly, go research a little more. Non tank stance openers are very well being done. Again, please research before you comment, it really shows your inexperience with the tanking meta when you try to state your opinion so blindly.

Your comment about replacing Shirk with a mitigation role skill portrays to me that you don't really tank at a competitive level, otherwise you'd know we have an ample amount of mitigation to deal with boss damage coming from our other 3 role skill slots and our base cooldowns. Combined with the boss meta damage of slow damage and big hits, this gives us more than enough to deal with the current fights.

I use Shirk and will always advise other tanks to use it. I also will go out on a limb and say I'm a lot better at tanking than you, since, you know, you like to call people "bad" on a whim, prove me wrong and entertain me oh anti shirk master tank \o/.

Since you ignored most of my points and couldn't provide a logical reply, I won't be replying to you any further at the risk of it being pointless, unless you can show me some hard facts and research like a "good" player.

[Mnemosynia]

Nitpicking because you can't counter it?
Another immature response with no hard information to back it up, nice job ignoring my post.

Shirk was not needed, all you needed to do was drop tank stance (if you were in it) have the OT Provoke and do one aggro combo.
Or If you werent in tank stance go into your dps rotation, have OT provoke and use aggro combo he may have needed to enter tank stance he may not depending on his damage.

Any tank that runs shirk is running it because they have no idea how to play a tank in an optimal way it is not a dps gain it's simply a way for a tank to be less mindful. To think that they gave tanks shirk instead of a role skill charge or maybe damage share or something. Nope they give us a tool that tanks were existing fine without.

And if any of you say no we needed it sophia ex was a perfect example of tank doing massive amounts of tank swaps with out shirk the only purpose I see it have is what the OP did which troll baddies and trash talkers for being assholes.



So you to find the skill useful u have to be playing next to an underperforming tank whilst blowing provoke which is extremely important cd if something were to go wrong like the MT dying and you need to pick up aggro before the boss kills other members of the raid.

I copied and pasted my first response since you can't be bothered to read earlier point, which you decided to not reply to that instead you choose the one below instead which i find interesting.

I cleared everything in HW including a12s sophia ex even went back to do a couple of coils sync for mentoring rights.

Also lastly saying i can't counter you post while countering your post and pointing out what quams i have with each of your post is not countering a post I see. I think your a good player but critical thinking and theory crafting certainly isn't your strong point. Let me ask you this.

Do you think with shirk Coils or fights like shiva ex or sophia ex would it be noticably easier for the entire group that includes you. How marginal is that benefit. Would awareness have been better instead for heavy hitters like bahamut and Alexander, or even ultimatum with the add phase for shiva or countless other fight with them would would allow your dps to unload much faster

I'd seriously like an answer to that, and no making redundant points again tyvm.

PS you just spouted alot of nonsense with nothing backing it up btw, saying my post isnt logical without a basis either and assuming i don't know what i'm talking about with out even looking at my lodestone at that as well, also where are your hard facts btw i have 4 years of tank swaps with out shirk behind me from different states of the game with different classes and different players doing it, you have basically your opinion. And i highly doubt your better at tanking then me if you need shirk i can tank swap without my hand being held very easily you can take shirk if you have an issue with that.

[SpookyGhost]

IDo you think with shirk Coils or fights like shiva ex or sophia ex would it be noticably easier for the entire group that includes you. How marginal is that benefit. Would awareness have been better instead for heavy hitters like bahamut and Alexander, or even ultimatum with the add phase for shiva or countless other fight with them would would allow your dps to unload much faster

1.) Awareness is good, but situational. It isn't really useful vs Bahamut or Alexander since those fights have predictable damage and you had enough HP to survive a low mitigation buster + a crit auto with plenty of health to spare (especially vs Alex since everyone was wearing VIT). It's useful in fights that have 100% crit (shiva, T11) and fights that have high crit bits (A8S). In those cases I'd give up Conva for Awareness as I find Shirk + X will give higher returns than Awareness + Conva.

2.) I haven't actually tried using Ultimatum, but to my knowledge it works like Provoke aka +1 aggro over everything. Does it have some crazy huge range that would let you hit every add when they spawn in Shiva? Because that's the only argument I can see for that.