Why Summoner Needs Help

[Ferrasper]

actually you can't be more wrong ferrasper. the black mage and the summoner are two pure dps caster... the only difference is the form the dps take. one is directly casting the damage, while the other relly on his pet and the dot for create a substain dps.
the trouble with smn, is the loose of the dot have affect too much them dps and lead them far behind. i feel they did hope that the ruin III will cover for this loose and the ruin buff too... sadly it's not enough. we can hope for the 4.05 a boost of the dot damage for cover this part.

I disagree because the BLM can't combat rez people while SMN can which puts him more in line with the RDM. Not to mention the devotion buff and physic heal which is crappy. It is still a heal though. SMN is a utility caster along with RDM because of the heals, rez, and buff. BLM has none of that making it the pure caster.

[EllieShadeflare]

I disagree because the BLM can't combat rez people while SMN can which puts him more in line with the RDM. Not to mention the devotion buff and physic heal which is crappy. It is still a heal though. SMN is a utility caster along with RDM because of the heals, rez, and buff. BLM has none of that making it the pure caster.

And Red Mage also happens to outpace us in literally every way as well. How convenient!

As I mentioned in my previous post, it seriously feels like they tried to give SMN a more support-DPS role with a build up twist, similar to Dragoon, but our payoff and our support doesn't really work well, especially since Red Mages can essentially rez with no flaws period, and have an AoE support... and then there's Vercure. Both aspects require adjustment, the payoff to our DPS, and the support.

[Ferrasper]

And Red Mage also happens to outpace us in literally every way as well. How convenient!

As I mentioned in my previous post, it seriously feels like they tried to give SMN a more support-DPS role with a build up twist, similar to Dragoon, but our payoff and our support doesn't really work well, especially since Red Mages can essentially rez with no flaws period, and have an AoE support... and then there's Vercure. Both aspects require adjustment, the payoff to our DPS, and the support.

I know which is why I think SMN should be put in line next to RDM making it more a matter of which play-style and buff I want to play with. I want SMN buffed. Please don't misunderstand that.

[EllieShadeflare]

I know which is why I think SMN should be put in line next to RDM making it more a matter of which play-style and buff I want to play with. I want SMN buffed. Please don't misunderstand that.

Ah, fair enough. Hopefully, more people can get on board, since it feels like SE doesn't know what to do with us a good deal of the time.