BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

[Neela]

I want Blm to be the casting equivalent of Sam.

That won't happen - Sam & Rdm are just overpowered yet because they are the promoted cls for this update. SE already said that.

[Osh1mA]

SE already said that.

Any links??

[Galvuu]

That won't happen - Sam & Rdm are just overpowered yet because they are the promoted cls for this update. SE already said that.

It's funny, because I'm pretty sure NIN is the most powerful dps right now (and has been for a while).
I'm not saying the other jobs need adjustments, I'm just scratching my head as the most centralising dps job flies under everyone's radar.

[Osh1mA]

That won't happen - Sam & Rdm are just overpowered yet because they are the promoted cls for this update. SE already said that.

Well i guess, when you do sub 3k dps on EX primals you might think that sam and rdm are OP but they're not...

[Lelila38]

By mobility spells I mean Aetherial Manipulation and Between the Lines. Y'know the spells that have always been described as mobility spells. I don't mean I want us to be able to run and cast, that's not the point at all. Just let us utilize the skills we already have more effectively! I want Blm to be the casting equivalent of Sam. So no utility and high DPS. I want to still be punished for messing up and not knowing a fight but I want that to be on me, not on the incredibly restrictive timers that we're dealing with at the moment which are completely at odds with the way fights are put together.

I wish I could upvote that more than once.

[Neela]

Well i guess, when you do sub 3k dps on EX primals you might think that sam and rdm are OP but they're not...

You are kidding right? Sam not op sure... ^^'

edit: i hate comparing numbers but just for you: Sam worlds top tier hits 5041 dps while Rdm do 4565 and (cause you pointed on me/my cls) Smn did 4348. That being said top 50 Sams all hit more than 4500 dps top 50 Rdm hit more than 4000 dps - now look at smn... just the top 4 are able to pass 4000 dps. All numbers on Susano ex.

It doesn't matter how low my personal dps is - yet I know I'm still messing up a lot - i'm clearly no reference for dps xD

But never the less if you compare numbers do it in a fair way - both new cls are indeed overpowered trying to defend that just makes you look trolling hard or just being clueless....

Try again.

[TheFanciestBard]

Could I get a source on this?

Test it yourself. 3.0 rotation is a not insignificant dps increase compared to 4.0. The decreased potency of Blizzard 4 makes it basically worthless and the extra fire4s you get don't make up for it.

[Waliel]

The problem with that is that Blm has zero party utility, the only thing we had, Apoc, was opened to all casters.
SE keeps defending their op Sam by saying they should be top as they have no other benefits for the group. That logic should apply to Blm as well.

That feel when SAM has more innate utility with slashing debuff than BLM.

Test it yourself. 3.0 rotation is a not insignificant dps increase compared to 4.0. The decreased potency of Blizzard 4 makes it basically worthless and the extra fire4s you get don't make up for it.

From my experiences and theorycrafting 4xF4 has a higher damage ceiling, but can get screwed harder by bad mana ticks. Nothing that can't be fixed by paying attention, though.

[Osh1mA]

You are kidding right? Sam not op sure... ^^'

edit: i hate comparing numbers but just for you: Sam worlds top tier hits 5041 dps while Rdm do 4565 and (cause you pointed on me/my cls) Smn did 4348. That being said top 50 Sams all hit more than 4500 dps top 50 Rdm hit more than 4000 dps - now look at smn... just the top 4 are able to pass 4000 dps. All numbers on Susano ex.

It doesn't matter how low my personal dps is - yet I know I'm still messing up a lot - i'm clearly no reference for dps xD

But never the less if you compare numbers do it in a fair way - both new cls are indeed overpowered trying to defend that just makes you look trolling hard or just being clueless....

Try again.

So you want smn to have SAM dps? SE explained logic behind sam dps and it's nowhere near "hype new jobs".
About parses... RDM and SAM have like 3 or 4 time more parses on FFlogs, why are you comparing raw numbers and not %??? SMN for example not fine when you compare it not only to SAM but to all other classes exept drg and mch lol. Also all top dps numbers are heavy inflated with st balance. Are they hype "new" ninja class too? lol

[Neela]

I never said that I want smn on that lvl where did you get this expectation from? o.o

I'm aware of why Sam & Rdm are that strong but I am not aware of what kind of discussion you are trying to get me in...
Both cls are to strong for their effort compared to all other cls thats a simple fact - so what point are you exactly trying do make?