As a new player, running through the Praetorium dungeon was the worst

[Feidam]

While I sympathise with the op I am afraid I can not agree. Sadly. The only way new players can get through old content is to have old players continuously re run it. Those old players have run that dungeon hundreds of times and simply do not want to have to wait the extra 10 mins for 1 or 2 people to watch a scene that they can watch, at their leisure, in and inn room or fc house and quite frankly it is unreasonable to ask 7 other people to wait on you

No it is not unreasonable. The experience of watching the cutscenes in the dungeon is the not same as viewing them on YouTube or even in the inn. I've been around ffxiv a long time and still have no issue affording the same experience and courtesy to new players that I had at ARR launch.

[New_Game_Plus]

I mean, it isn't hard to not be an asshole and let a sprout who is actually keeping with the story watch the cutscenes. Saying "Watch it at the inn" isn't as fun as watching it as it is occuring, in my opinion.

[BigRed5392]

Whenever I do main scenario roulette I always tell new players to not worry about it and just watch the cutscenes. The boss fights are killed so fast now that you're not missing much. Just enjoy the cutscenes.

they might care though. They should be respected as much as vets feel entitled to it. New players are bread and butter to mmo, chasing them a way isn't good.

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the ff11 english community had no issue letting new players watch longer cs. And these same people had lives and families. Even my g/f only had 2 hrs a day to play ff11, and never used that against new players. the cs were longer then ff14, and the fights were longer then ff14.

why is it in today's age of gamers, is short fights and cs seen as a "waste of time" to wait? you get your tomes, its only a 1 time daily bonus.

with friends, it doesn't take long to queue up and do each daily bonus. So saying i got a life, is a lame excuse to ruin someones experience.

If anything at least WARN new players, so they can set up pf's to get these done so we can limit this thread appearing. this thread has been started and re started 40 times since ARR launch. How many more times will it take for people to get a clue.

also get 8 ppl undersize put on cs, and tell me how long it will takes, it doesn't take an hr to do with cs, and yes you gotta click it auto advance is slow.

[Indefiinable]

No it is not unreasonable. The experience of watching the cutscenes in the dungeon is the not same as viewing them on YouTube or even in the inn. I've been around ffxiv a long time and still have no issue affording the same experience and courtesy to new players that I had at ARR launch.

Unreasonable = not fair or acceptable. Is it fair to the 7 other players to wait on 1 individual with no prior agreement. No. There are multiple options available to players wishing to immerse themselves in the early content. FC run, party finder run, watching the lengthy cutscenes in FC house or inn room

[Feidam]

Unreasonable = not fair or acceptable. Is it fair to the 7 other players to wait on 1 individual with no prior agreement. No. There are multiple options available to players wishing to immerse themselves in the early content. FC run, party finder run, watching the lengthy cutscenes in FC house or inn room

Guess what there are options for people that can't handle the cutscenes too. Don't queue! Don't sit here and scream it's not fair because of one person who has never run the content wants watch the cutscenes. No one is forcing you to run the main scenario roulette. It never ceases to amaze me the level of entitlement shown by gamers today. They gave the roulette and daily rewards to encourage people to run the older content for newer players. Not for vet players to bully newer players out of the dungeon experience.

Furthermore those options are there for folks who want revisit the cutscenes not for primary viewing. The cutscenes only show up after they have been played for the first time.

[Avatre]

Guess what there are options for people that can't handle the cutscenes too. Don't queue! Don't sit here and scream it's not fair because of one person who has never run the content wants watch the cutscenes. No one is forcing you to run the main scenario roulette. It never ceases to amaze me the level of entitlement shown by gamers today. The gave the roulette and daily rewards to encourage people to run the older content for newer players. Not for vet players to bully newer players out of the dungeon experience.

Furthermore those options are there for folks who want revisit the cutscenes not for primary viewing. As they only show up after it's played for the first time.

It shows up if they are skipped as well. When I first ran Praetorium, I ran it with a few friends from an old FC I was in. They told me about both options, I opted to take part in the fights and watch the CS after in the inn.

[Feidam]

It shows up if they are skipped as well. When I first ran Praetorium, I ran it with a few friends from an old FC I was in. They told me about both options, I opted to take part in the fights and watch the CS after in the inn.

That's because a skip is technically playing the scene with fast forward. It doesn't however change the purpose of the reviewing mechanism.

Also, if the new player wants to skip of his/her own volition that is one thing. Forcing or coercing is another.

[LineageRazor]

It never ceases to amaze me the level of entitlement shown by gamers today.

I think this exact same quote was used to describe the new players who expect seven strangers to sit back and wait. In this very thread, if I'm not mistaken, though I couldn't find it on a quick scan. (Might have been another thread on this topic; it's one that comes up pretty regularly.)

Your solution, "Stay out of MS Roulette if you don't like cutscenes," has been suggested before, including actual gameplay solutions like making watching cutscenes mandatory, or preventing dungeon progress until all eight members are present. The problem with this is that new players NEED veteran players to help them through the Main Scenario fights, and each of these solutions serves to drive veteran players away. The queue times for new players trying to complete CM or Prae are already oppressive - take away the lure of quick, easy tomestones, and those queue times could skyrocket to literally hours of waiting. Any solution that drives away the warm bodies needed to keep queue times reasonable is a bad idea.

I've been here since 2.0 release, and even in the very beginning folks were already speedrunning these dungeons. Thanks to the forums, I went in forewarned, but that didn't mean that I was happy about having to skip the cutscenes. Nevertheless, I saw the point from both sides, and recognized that both sides have reasonable arguments. It is not reasonable to expect seven players to slow down for you (you can ASK, and sometimes it works, but don't be bitter if they're unwilling). It is also not reasonable to ask a new player to skip out on the narrative just so you can get your loot and go home. Either way, someone is getting screwed over. There's no right answer. And since there are seven who want to go one way, and one that wants to go the other, it's usually the newbie that gets overruled.

The problem is NOT with "entitled players", but with the design of the dungeon. This has been noted time and again, and even the SE devs have obliquely acknowledged that the profusion of in-dungeon cutscenes was a bad idea. They've also all but stated that they have no intention of doing anything to solve the problem; no rework is going to be applied to those dungeons, or to the roulettes that accompany them.

The best you can do is to warn new players that you know of the upcoming dilemma. Encourage them to put together Party Finder parties to gather other newbies and veterans who are willing to be patient. Warn them that such parties will fill much more slowly - but that in turn they will be able to experience the dungeon on their own terms.

[Skivvy]

vote kick who? the new comer for being upset?

i recall when mmo put new players first. then WoW happen. No one warns people of this happening. Which sucks.

You took the bait. I can only assume Charlayy was trying to fan the flames. I haven't seen a person kicked for watching those CSs since the game was new.

the ff11 english community had no issue letting new players watch longer cs. And these same people had lives and families. Even my g/f only had 2 hrs a day to play ff11, and never used that against new players. the cs were longer then ff14, and the fights were longer then ff14.

Also, this is not a good comparison. XIV and XI are vastly different in how you had to complete MSQ. For starters, XI you would most likely only be running with your LS or a shout group who all needed the missions as well. There was no benefit for others to rerun the MSQ outside of helping LS members or for a merch run. If it's a merch run, you better hope those people would suck it up and let you watch CSs as you were paying them for it.

XIV is completely different as most MSQ is completed with completely random people. Despite your own personal feelings on the matter, these people don't owe anything to sprouts. If they are so concerned, they should find a helpful FC or make a PF group to their own specifications.

[Indefiinable]

That's because a skip is technically playing the scene with fast forward. It doesn't however change the purpose of the reviewing mechanism.

Also, if the new player wants to skip of his/her own volition that is one thing. Forcing or coercing is another.

No one is "forcing" anyone to do anything. If the new player wishes to watch the cutscenes they can. However the rest of the player base will continue on. If it were not for "entitled" players like me running main rou daily there would be no df runs for the new players to join. The simple fact of the matter remains when 1 person wants to wait to watch the cutscenes and the other 7 don't majority rules and THAT is how democracy works and is entirely right and justified