As a new player, running through the Praetorium dungeon was the worst

[Final-Fantasy]

Just ran through the Praetorium dungeon...

I would have recommended you make a Party Finder stating you wanted to watch the scenes and get a few to assist that way or ask for it to be Unsynced and have a Lv60+ that could solo the battles for you while you watch how it plays out.

Anything but Duty Finder, as this will always be the case as you found out. You have to see if from both sides, the ones matched in Duty Finder will most likely be running roulette and just want it over with.

As for spoilers, again better off making a group or getting a Lv60-70 to assist you, I have myself taken time to do this for people and I know of others that have as well, it never hurts to ask for help.

[KisaiTenshi]

I did Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium back to back in Undersized party mode, with the cut scenes on, and not clicking through any of the dialog (auto advance):

Castrum Meridianum
Exact time: 44:33 (from Instance start to Exit), Timestamp 41:48

The Praetorium
Exact time: 62:16 (from Instance start to Exit), Timestamp 58:08
https://youtu.be/EuTNvt5jyVw

So to go back to the point of the original post, In order to watch all the cut scenes, it does in fact take twice as long for the Praetorium.

Also, got pinned by Nero on that run, which meant that I had to defeat him using Aero II, which probably dragged it out another minute.

[Lustaria]

..Not to be that nitpicky nerd girl.. adjusts spectacles, but twice as long would mean 88 minutes... *shot* (Don't mind me.. just being smart ass. I'm not disagreeing. :P)

Serious contribution: I remember when I was playing through ARR for the first time; before HW came out. It was being rushed back then too. I was lucky to have an FC that had cool people that actually helped me run them both authentically. So I implore any new people to find a cool FC to help them run it.

[Charlayy]

Just tell them how the story ends, full spoilers, problem solved.

[Nixxe]

I won't bother anymore with this, even if I could've gone back and, for example, pick some stuff where the same posters contradict themselves about the duty taking more or less time depending of who are they replying to, so that it fits their argument. But considering how the same people seem to enjoy to go around other people's arguments without replying to what's actually being said (excuse me for saying "twice/double" when talking about 120+100; those 20 tomestones left for it to be exactly twice as much made such a huge difference in what I had to say), it would just be a waste of time. Some things never change over the years.

However, I'll let you a very simple fact for you (generally speaking) to meditate about. It's interesting that in the japanese servers, considering how the japanese culture is one that focuses on not bothering the people around you, and also how there's a huge respect towards those "above" you, they actually let the new players watch their cutscenes. If it was so bothersome as you claim it to be, wouldn't it make more sense for the new players to not watch them so that they don't bother the veterans? You can think whatever you want to think, but that fact is there, together with the devs being surprised about similar behaviors from the western community (which is partly SE's fault for not doing proper research, mind you).

This is a problem that only happens on NA/EU. You can draw any conclusions you want about it, but before you do (and if you're old enough) you should look back in time a little bit to see if you notice any changes in people's mentality over the years.

You were the one being extremely nitpicky about other people's figures when it's obvious you have no clue what you're talking about. People even provided sample data and rather than address the data or gather your own, you simply started complaining that people aren't arguing against your content, despite the fact that they plainly are. Again, this is you projecting and lacking the self-awareness to realize it.

What Japanese players do is their own business, but has no bearing whatsoever on whether something is bothersome or not as that's a purely subjective judgment each individual has to make for themselves.

[KisaiTenshi]

..Not to be that nitpicky nerd girl.. adjusts spectacles, but twice as long would mean 88 minutes... *shot* (Don't mind me.. just being smart ass. I'm not disagreeing. :P)

It took twice as long compared to my "23:08, with cutscenes disabled on WHM" Praetorium run identically equipped from the other day.

58:08 - 23:08= 35 minutes of cut scenes if you don't click through any of it. There's an additional 4 minutes of cut scenes after it gives you the completion timestamp.

At any rate, ultimately a speed runner could probably shave at least 1-2 minutes off that still.

[Lustaria]

It took twice as long compared to my "23:08, with cutscenes disabled on WHM" Praetorium run identically equipped from the other day.

58:08 - 23:08= 35 minutes of cut scenes if you don't click through any of it. There's an additional 4 minutes of cut scenes after it gives you the completion timestamp.

At any rate, ultimately a speed runner could probably shave at least 1-2 minutes off that still.

..I knew that's what you meant. Honest. adjusts spectacles as she looks away in shame.

[HPDelron]

Honestly of all the common complaints about the game this one holds the most merit for me. I almost quit the game after hitting the 2 end MSQ dungeons, it's just an awful experience.

Converting these over to solo quests would probably be very costly in terms of development time and cut seriously into at least a whole content patch. I think the cost would be worth it just so there aren't horror stories like this anymore.

[Yshnal]

You were the one being extremely nitpicky about other people's figures when it's obvious you have no clue what you're talking about. People even provided sample data and rather than address the data or gather your own, you simply started complaining that people aren't arguing against your content, despite the fact that they plainly are. Again, this is you projecting and lacking the self-awareness to realize it.

What Japanese players do is their own business, but has no bearing whatsoever on whether something is bothersome or not as that's a purely subjective judgment each individual has to make for themselves.

Are you serious? How long did I have to insist about the additional 100 tomestones (and exp, if you aren't max level) exclusive to CM and Prae -as they're way lower in other duties- until someone actually acknowledged it? Who was the first one to nitpick my first post after I said what was just my opinion and what I do on those dungeons (hint: it was you; not surprising, right?)? Who has been the one finally pointing at the measly 20 tomestones when those don't really matter for the argument? Who has been ignoring parts of my and other posters' replies (including actual figures, and the opinions of the new players), some of which already countered what you were saying, so that they could fit his needs? Do you really want me to go back and quote all the hypocritical, entitled, egocentric, contradictory, exaggerated, misguided, and/or wrong things that you've posted about times, rewards, new players, etc.?

Also, congrats on missing the point of the second part of my post. And it's not as if some things, related to human behavior, are (or rather, should be) universal. Because I'm not talking about individuals there.

But whatever, I'm done. It's clear what you're doing, and you are not worth investing more of my time. But it's sad that this is the kind of community that you strive to create.

[Nixxe]

Are you serious? How long did I have to insist about the additional 100 tomestones (and exp, if you aren't max level) exclusive to CM and Prae -as they're way lower in other duties- until someone actually acknowledged it? Who was the first one to nitpick my first post after I said what was just my opinion and what I do on those dungeons (hint: it was you; not surprising, right?)? Who has been the one finally pointing at the measly 20 tomestones when those don't really matter for the argument? Who has been ignoring parts of my and other posters' replies (including actual figures, and the opinions of the new players), some of which already countered what you were saying, so that they could fit his needs? Do you really want me to go back and quote all the hypocritical, entitled, egocentric, contradictory, exaggerated, misguided, and/or wrong things that you've posted about times, rewards, new players, etc.?

Also, congrats on missing the point of the second part of my post. And it's not as if some things, related to human behavior, are (or rather, should be) universal. Because I'm not talking about individuals there.

But whatever, I'm done. It's clear what you're doing, and you are not worth investing more of my time. But it's sad that this is the kind of community that you strive to create.

I wasn't pointing at just 20 tomestones. I would have let that slide if it were the only discrepancy. You're ignoring the rest of the rewards, such as the bonus XP that comes from the end of the roulette. There is a small bonus added for having a new player, but it's not double. Similarly, the gil reward is not doubled nor is the XP gained from clearing the mobs. Please stop being so incredibly ridiculous.

You say I'm ignoring the opinions of new players, but I simply disagree with anyone who thinks everyone should be held hostage so that they can watch the cutscenes. It's not as though I was never a new player or forgot my own opinion. I get that it sucks and I sympathize with them, but forcing other people to sit through 15 or 30+ minutes of cutscenes isn't the answer.

What I'm doing is trying to have a civil conversation with you to express an opposing viewpoint and this is apparently all it takes to get you riled up and attacking me.

But sure, do me a favor and without distorting things I said after depriving them of context, quote to me all the places I'm such a terrible human being. Please provide facts and data to back up your claims as necessary, as I will not accept self-righteous moral grandstanding in lieu of such things.