Scholar Fixes

[Xygoz]

Oh, I didn't read that part about keeping the healing effect. Still your reasoning is stupid.
Do you even play SCH? SCH are the kings of emergency heals. If you don't have an emergency heal that can be used reliably it's because you mismanaged and you should be punished. AST only has 1 emergency heal ONLY 1 every 40 seconds. SCH has 3 every 60 seconds and can even be AoE. Don't tell me you don't have them because I'm going to answer you, get good.

And if you have 0 emergency heals, there's a skill called dissipation that grants you 3 more stacks. That's the moment when you kill the fairy.

BTW half of your buffs are broken.

By emergency heal your mean lustrate? a 600 pot heal that both the other healers have that they can spam LAWL, sorry that was funny!

I do play scholar I have also cleared all the current content in the game atm, if you think being able to cast 3 cure 2's every 60 seconds Is great then you have not played any of the other classes.
As far as Dissipation you killing your fairy for 3 stacks sounds great on paper untill you realize it hurts you more then just not having stacks lol. you just killed a nice chunck of your healing for 3 more cure 2's ! Grats!!!

[Xygoz]

You just made sch heal more then a whm and buffs stronger then a ast.

Can you be more specific? none of the potency increase beat WHM heals values nor are we getting any more healing ability's, if your think having more lustrates is op then just look at cure 2 is there a limit how often you can cast it?

As far as the changes to selene I can see some of your point, the recast on them can be high but to say it out buffs and astro...

[Xhareem]

Sch has a dps buff your spot is cemented in raid groups. And before you say "whm has highest personal dps" true but whm is not going out dps 6 other people.

Let's throw some light on CHAIN STRATAGEM (CS). The skill debuffs ONE target so it has 15% increased received crit rate. Crit rate ONLY translates directly into raw damage rating if these conditions are met:

1-Crit hits are twice as powerful as normal hits.
2-Base critical hit rating is 0%.

Explanation on 2: Let's say you normal hit for 1k, and you critically hit for 2k. If you hit for 100 normal hits (0% crit rate), you get 100k damage. With CS you hit for 85 normal hits and 15 crit hits, that's 115k damage (95x1k+15x2k). Your gain is 15k/100k=15%. Now consider your base crit rate is 30%. Without CS your damage is 130k (70x1k+30x2k). When CS is applied, your damage increases to 145k (55x1k+45x2k). Damage gain is 15k/130k = 11,54%. This is called DIMINISHING RETURN.

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[Xhareem]

Back to CS duration and CD, utopically you can have 12,5% uptime (15sec out of 120sec). I type UTOPICALLY because it's unwise to use the debuff on CD, since there are phases when you can't deal damage to the boss (boss invulnerable, damage required on adds, transition phases, heavy movement,...)

I don't know the exact crit rate->%crit translation, but at current gear level we can assume around 15% critical rate (the lower, the more damage increase from CS -diminishing return-), and critical hits being around 65% extra damage.

With all these hypothesis, the calculations are like follows:

15% crit rate, 12,5% uptime -> 1,875% increased crit rate for the whole combat (UTOPICAL as I explained before).
1,875% crit rate increase for 15% crit rate base -> 1,06% damage increase (65% x (1,875%/1,15))

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[Xhareem]

So, taking into consideration the real combat circumstances (not 12,5% uptime) and players in your party above 15% critical hit rate, you get a tiny +1% increased damage for the whole party (probably less tan that).

And as some other have posted in this and other forum threads, WHM damage is higher tan SCH damage (besides WHM heals for more and have more time to dps). Sincerely, I doubt bringing an SCH to the raid increases overall damage output.

[Supersun]

How is sch broken? Sch is better in raids and whm is better in dungeons. Sch has a dps buff your spot is cemented in raid groups. And before you say "whm has highest personal dps" true but whm is not going out dps 6 other people.

Basically Sch isn't broken because they threw Sch a bandaid? Sch minus chain stratagem would NEVER be invited to a raid over a White mage. The only reason it's invited to raids is because they decided to throw the class a raid buff spell. Let's not pretend that Scholar is in a great place because they put lipstick on a pig.

[amihavingfunyet]

Basically Sch isn't broken because they threw Sch a bandaid? Sch minus chain stratagem would NEVER be invited to a raid over a White mage. The only reason it's invited to raids is because they decided to throw the class a raid buff spell. Let's not pretend that Scholar is in a great place because they put lipstick on a pig.

That's some hot opinions there.
How come all the top parses of the current ex primals are AST/SCH? Because SCH is still a very strong healer and the added Chain Strategem made it even more valuable to a raid team.
Besides that, if you are a good healer (regardless of job) you won't have to worry about your raid spot.

took the bait/10

[Supersun]

That's some hot opinions there.
How come all the top parses of the current ex primals are AST/SCH? Because SCH is still a very strong healer and the added Chain Strategem made it even more valuable to a raid team.
Besides that, if you are a good healer (regardless of job) you won't have to worry about your raid spot.

took the bait/10

A strong healer that's doing nearly 50% less healing than the Ast in all of those parties?

Chain Stratagem isn't a strong healer. It's a strong enough healer for when solo Ast isn't enough.

If they gave Whm Chain Stratagem instead of Sch I'm pretty sure all of those comps would immediately switch to Whm/Ast instead.

The reason Sch is invited to all those trial fights isn't because of their healer as much as Chain Stratagem > Whm DPS, because DPS is largely all they look for in an offhealer.

[amihavingfunyet]

A strong healer that's doing nearly 50% less healing than the Ast in all of those parties?

You actually made me look through the parses of Susano and Lakshmi, most of the parses have a healing distribution of ~55% AST ~45% SCH. I looked at my own parses and they usually are close to 50/50 spread too (WHM/SCH).

Chain Stratagem isn't a strong healer. It's a strong enough healer for when solo Ast isn't enough.

If you want a really good group you will mostly balance out the healing between both of the healers to use their CDs to their best, you can see these in the top parses too.

If they gave Whm Chain Stratagem instead of Sch I'm pretty sure all of those comps would immediately switch to Whm/Ast instead.
The reason Sch is invited to all those trial fights isn't because of their healer as much as Chain Stratagem > Whm DPS, because DPS is largely all they look for in an offhealer.

Does WHM allow you to ignore mechanics with (spread) Adlo? No. Does WHM have reliable groupwide mitigation for every big raidwide damage (Fey Covenenant, Sacred Soil)? No. Does WHM have a constant healing pet that requires 0 MP and 0 GCDs from its owner? No. SCH brings so much unique utility, not even including Chain Strategem. Their healing kit didn't change all that much since HW (except the loss of Virus) and it's still as strong as ever.

Now I sincerely hope the character you have set on the OF is an alt. You don't even have a single healer at 70, AST even only at 30. You don't have a single Coil, Alex Savage or HW/SB primal achievement. Please tell me exactly why and where you think SCH is so much weaker than WHM? Preferably with some real examples and not just "WHM does more DPS on a dummy" and tell me why the current top parses aren't reflecting the fact that WHM is supposed to be better than SCH.

[Supersun]

You actually made me look through the parses of Susano and Lakshmi, most of the parses have a healing distribution of ~55% AST ~45% SCH. I looked at my own parses and they usually are close to 50/50 spread too (WHM/SCH).

I looked at a good number as well and they all fell into 40/60 to 45/55.

A 40/60 spread is in fact +50% more healing.

Their healing kit didn't change all that much since HW (except the loss of Virus)

...are you serious?..

You mean besides the fact that they took a baseball bat to both Aldoquiem, the Fairy, and Scholar's MP regeneration? Like, all the things that made Scholar amazing in HW...

Does Whm let you ignore mechanics with shields? Of course not, because Whm doesn't have shields and the other healer, either Sch or Ast will provide those shields. The only problem being that Ast's shield is not only cheaper than Scholar's shield, but when they both crit are actually about equal strength (and Ast's murder's Sch when they don't crit.)

Does Whm have groupwide mitigation? No, they just have AoE regens galore and Cure III. I'll tell you a secret about Sacred Soil, it's pointless unless people are in danger of being 1 shotted and that extra 10% DR saves someone because an Indom will heal a heck of a lot more HP after the AoE than a Soil wouild have prevented. So let's rephrase this question...does Whm have amazing AoE healing because Scholar will be using their stacks on Indom instead of Sacred Soil 99% of the time....oh yeah.

Does Whm have healing that requires 0 MP and 0 GCDs? Benediction, Tetra, Assize, Assylum, ect... Let's ask a better question? Does Scholar have a Cure II? Can Scholar cast that Cure II for free every so often? Can Scholar cast a free Stoneskin after that Cure II. Oh right, Scholars are stuck spamming Physic...