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    Quote Originally Posted by Riyshn View Post
    Ok, first of all, Lustrate is not an emergency heal. At 600 potency, it is weaker than the secondary heals WHM and AST get at Lv30 and Lv26 respectively, and is additionally gated behind Aetherflow's limited stacks. SCH doesn't currently have an emergency heal, unless you count gambling on a Emergency Tactics + Critlo.
    I would actually argue that emergency heals are the only thing SCH has an advantage on at this point. AST and WHM have Essential and Tetra, but generally they will utilise those outside of emergency situations for more GCD effeciency. Lustrate is different because it's gated by Aetherflow, we generally manage our stacks and so we have it at our disposal to actually use for emergencies. That and we can potentially have multiple uses at one given time. It may only be 600 potency, but in most situations that will be enough to rescue a situation and then act appropriately.

    And while Assize/Earthly Star may be overall better moves, Indom is still strongest at being the best emergency AoE heal. Better potency than Assize, and doesn't require placing/clicking like Earthly Star

    Edit: Also, ET + Adlo would never be considered an emergency heal, even if it crits. Emergency buttons don't need to replicate Benediction and heal a huge amount, it just needs to save a member from death. Generally that means it will have to be an instant move with a decent enough potency to keep someone alive. Lustrate fits this perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    I would actually argue that emergency heals are the only thing SCH brings at this point. AST and WHM have Essential and Tetra, but generally they will utilise those outside of emergency situations for more GCD effeciency. Lustrate is different because it's gated by Aetherflow, we generally manage our stacks and so we have it at our disposal to actually use for emergencies. That and we can potentially have multiple uses at one given time. It may only be 600 potency, but in most situations that will be enough to rescue a situation and then act appropriately.

    And while Assize/Earthly Star may be overall better moves, Indom is still strongest at being the best emergency AoE heal. Better potency than Assize, and doesn't require placing/clicking like Earthly Star
    SCH specialize in planned heals. The limited nature of Aetherflow tends to mean that in an emergency situation with a SCH, one of 4 things happens.

    The fight was not planned to need a large heal from the SCH at this point, and no Aetherflow are avalible. Wipe.
    The group took unplanned damage and an Indom was used. We now likely don't have Indom available for the next unavoidable raid-wide. Wipe.
    The tank took unplanned damage and requires extra Lustrates. We are now unable to use the Indom needed for the upcoming mechanic. Wipe.
    The tank took unplanned damage and requires extra Lustrates. We are now unable to use the Energy Drains we're counting on for MP, and run dry at a crucial section of the fight. This is somewhat less likely to cause a wipe, but does leave the SCH feeling miserable for the entire rest of the pull.

    3 uses of a resource per minute just does not allow anything that requires that resource to reasonably be an emergency heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riyshn View Post
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    I'm a little confused now, part of your post talks about raid-wide damage, and then you talk about the "rest of the pull", so are we talking raids or dungeons here? Because SCH functions quite differently in both.

    In any case, your first point should be irrelevant because any good SCH will keep an AF stack until they are at least close to getting another AF cast.

    Your next two points seem to be in a raid scenario, so you'll have a co-healer who should generally be doing most of the healing anyway. They should also be competent enough to know that you have had to resort to emergency heals, and communication would also solve the problem of topping people off before a raid-wide mechanic. Also you should be prepared for that with a deployed Adlo or Succor anyway, not an Indom.

    Your last point seems to be dungeon based. Yeah it is a little more rough for SCH, but as of now there really isn't any reason for anyone to go OOM unless they're mindlessly spamming Adlos. And if your tank is pulling too much for you to handle, communication!

    Regardless of all these scenarios, it doesn't change that Lustrate and Indom are great emergency buttons. In fact, you state yourself that you used Lustrate in these scenarios when unplanned damage occurs, so have you not just contradicted yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simiii View Post
    As a whm I'd like to say benediction isn't a emergency heal...
    100% agreed. I only mentioned Benediction because it sounded like his idea of an emergency button is to top somebody off instantly, whereas that isn't the case at all. I only mentioned Tetra as the actual emergency button of a WHM. (:
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    As a whm I'd like to say benediction isn't a emergency heal...

    Benediction has a LONG delay that the mob or a dot tick can go off before they get the heal and on top of that it has long cd and most time I end up healing myself with it when I have full hp cuz the person I wanted to use it on died in mid animation.
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