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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    Emergency Tactics + Adlo + Deployement Tactics = Benediction for everybody every 1 min ?
    Um? Xygoz's Emergency Tactics + Adlo would just be a large heal, same as it is now except with the guaranteed crit for consistency. Deployment Tactics after that would do nothing, because there's nothing to deploy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    Emergency Tactics + Adlo + Deployement Tactics = Benediction for everybody every 1 min ?
    no...
    Deployment tactics only works on shields...when emergency tactics is used Galvanize isn't a buff that goes on the target its just a heal.
    1000/1000 heal/shield turns into a 2000 heal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xygoz View Post
    no...
    Deployment tactics only works on shields...when emergency tactics is used Galvanize isn't a buff that goes on the target its just a heal.
    1000/1000 heal/shield turns into a 2000 heal
    It would be stupidly OP, unless you make it 3 to 5 minute cooldown. Remember that you can always use largesse to increase the potency. A guarante crit shield should have at least 3 min cooldown or should share CD with Deployment.
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    Nah it giving crit shields is meh, I like the concept of it converting shields to heals, making it a free crit but still has the same effect otherwise would be super strong and potent already. Makes it into a 900 potency heal and you can slap a lustrate over it for 1500 potency. That alone is an insane amount of single target healing for basically 1 gcd

    This would give us an even better 700 potency +regen aoe heal bomb than we have already as well
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    Last edited by Deox; 07-10-2017 at 07:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaSonic View Post
    It would be stupidly OP, unless you make it 3 to 5 minute cooldown.
    At the 1000/1000/(2000) numbers it would be, but that's not what the actual potencies are. Adlo is 300/300, which makes the base heal from it under Emergency Tactics into 600. This is equivalent to Lustrate, and is actually still lower than Cure II/Benefic II. Crit multiplier is 1.4 (I believe), so giving Emergency Tactics a guaranteed crit effect bring it up to 840, which is reasonable on a 30sec CD, especially because it would still be tied to Adlo's MP cost.

    After typing that I realized that the crit multiplier on Adlo's shield translating to healing probably would be OP, as that would make it a 1260 potency heal every 30 seconds, but that could be worked around by just saying that Emergency Tactics isn't a true crit, but is instead a direct multiplier.

    EDIT: And after typing that I realized that HW Essential Dignity was a free (conditional) 1000 potency heal on a 40sec CD, so maybe actually not that OP after all.
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    Last edited by Riyshn; 07-10-2017 at 07:28 AM.

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    Aldo's mp cost would still be super high so it would still be fine, if someone mp's out becuase they did an adlo every 30 seconds for no reason then they are just bad tbh

    The 30 sec cooldown typically will let you handle aoe heals and tank buster heals if needed as well as they tend to be that spaced apart, though in a group of 8 succor healing isn't usually needed outside of rare hyper potent boss aoe spam in progression content
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    Last edited by Deox; 07-10-2017 at 07:30 AM.

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    You just made sch heal more then a whm and buffs stronger then a ast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simiii View Post
    You just made sch heal more then a whm and buffs stronger then a ast.
    People in general don't understand balance, they just want what they play to to be strong and awesome :P
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    Oh, I didn't read that part about keeping the healing effect. Still your reasoning is stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riyshn View Post
    Scholars lack an emergency heal that we can use reliably, this would turn Adlo into one without adding a new skill to scholars
    Emergency Tactics Your next Adlo or Succor is a forced crit along with its currect effect. increase recast to 45 seconds
    Do you even play SCH? SCH are the kings of emergency heals. If you don't have an emergency heal that can be used reliably it's because you mismanaged and you should be punished. AST only has 1 emergency heal ONLY 1 every 40 seconds. SCH has 3 every 60 seconds and can even be AoE. Don't tell me you don't have them because I'm going to answer you, get good.

    And if you have 0 emergency heals, there's a skill called dissipation that grants you 3 more stacks. That's the moment when you kill the fairy.

    BTW half of your buffs are broken.
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    Lustrate would be amazing emergency heal if we had a true Cure II, but we don't. We have what is basically 3 Cure IIs every minute, give or take Dissipation and Quickened Aetherflow procs. And, this is assuming you don't need the Aetherflow for literally anything else. SCH has never been more Aetherflow hungry because our heals are weak and expensive and the fairy heals for even less than ever. SCH's can't as easily recover from a setback like WHM and AST can. WHM now has a ton of oGCD heals, and AST got a few extra in the expansion, one of which is from their card mechanic. SCH has to jump through a lot more hoops just to do what the other two can do easily, and there's not that much payoff for doing so.
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