Physick II for SMN

[Ariomi]

As a Summoner, I don't think we need a physick II. We don't need to be red mages, bluntly put. What we /do/ need is Sustain for our pets.

Red Mages imo have less mp regeneration than SMN'S(correct me if I'm wrong), so more potent spells seems to be a fair exchange.

Red Mages have less mp regen, But their skills cost way less mana. Red Mage's most expensive skill is 600 mana. A Summoner's dot cost 720 Mana. Using Aetherlfow only gives you enough Mana to use Ruin 3 out of dreadwyrm trance once.

Considering that Summoner wants to ruin 3 as much as possible (in dreadwyrm trance and out) Cause it's a dps gain - 150 potency vs 100. only 30% more potency on a class that is severely lacking damage in the first place.

[alsims2007]

Although a heal for smn would be nice it's not the same as rdm. Each time a rdm Casts a heal they sacrifice 100% of their dps since they have no dots and no pet. A smn can still have dots ticking and pet attacking and only miss out on a 100 potency ruin

[Born_Free]

Or y'know....Sustain.

[Vallhallix]

Delete titan, Moonstone Carbuncle for 2017!

[DPZ2]

... the reason why Vercure is more potent is due to RDMs have literally no other way to deal with incoming damage. Far too many people get jealous of the ability while choosing to remain ignorant of the fact we do not have a mini-tank

I don't know about that. Damage mitigation is pretty much the same using the new Role Skills for all casters. No SMN uses Titan-egi in an instance -- so incoming damage is actually better mitigated by Vercure than Physick.

Damage dealt by a dead pet is zero. Dead pet means no Ruin IV. Damage of SMN decreases.

Tell me how RDM, exactly, is inconvenienced again?

[Ariomi]

Although a heal for smn would be nice it's not the same as rdm. Each time a rdm Casts a heal they sacrifice 100% of their dps since they have no dots and no pet. A smn can still have dots ticking and pet attacking and only miss out on a 100 potency ruin

False. Red Mage sacrifices one maybe two casts for their heals. At most, 3 seconds of DPS lost and a DPS Gain occurs if that Red Mage saved themselves from dying. (Much more dps lost if a Red Mage dies/Has weakness.) Their dps would be only be slightly lower at the end of a fight.

Summoners have no way to protect themselves by reducing damage, and have no way to heal their pet let alone themselves. They are the only classes in the game that can't. Dragoon, Monk, Ninja, Bard, Mch and Samurai can all use either bloodbath, Second Wind, fists of the earth, Shade Shift, or Third eye to lessen the damage they take or heal themselves.

Black Mage has Manaward that blocks 30% of all damage. Red Mage has Vercure. Tell me... What does Summoner have?... Not much... Summoner can't even heal their pet. You know what happens if a pet dies? 25% of their dps is gone, Summon Bahamut becomes unavailable, and they have to spend 2400 Mana to resurrect their pet, which either costs them a swiftcast, or they spend the next 5 seconds doing nothing as they resummon their pet.

A heal is nice for Red Mage, but Summoner needs it more then a Red Mage does.

[Eloah]

A lot of people seem to forget that in the FF series, there have been other jobs that have had healing abilities, either self heals or spells. SMN is one of those jobs so us having a reasonable heal is acceptable, and made sense. And this isn't even about the SMN/WHM hybrids, this is just SMNs. SE needs to retool the Arcanist base class, or remove either SCH or SMN from it entirely. The Arcanist class should be about the pet, and all of the skills needed to maintain the pet, along with some basic skills. These include some attacks, the heal the raise, and all of the pet skills needed, sustain, rouse, initial traits, etc. Then once we get the jobs and start branching in either direction, then we can craft their unique DPS and Healer kits. It's sorta sad, with these recent changes, we can see that the "troubles" that plagued the SMN/SCH were easier to fix then they initially led on. They just added another bandaid to SMN, can't decide if its better or not compared to the last one. And the completely took SCH identity away. SE had a good thing going, but I wonder if this is a case of too many cooks or npt enough.

[DatPotato]

Fairy got nerfed tho, and mp regen too, they're forcing us to use the usual physics more than the adlo, so...

[Kyeria]

You know, an easy fix for the Sustain issue would be to allow Physick to have a unique effect on Egi's.

Physick
Restores target's HP.
#1:Cure Potency: 400
#2: Cure Potency When Cast on Egi's: +500%

Obviously, this was an example and I have no idea what the modifier would actually need to be set at to be useful since Physicks skill modifier is based on mind.
However, this would allow summoners to heal Egi's for decent amounts of health while still curbing what they can do on players.

I feel like this is a simple fix that would be very helpful to SMNs and appease those upset by the loss of sustain.

[Claviusnex]

You know, an easy fix for the Sustain issue would be to allow Physick to have a unique effect on Egi's.

Physick
Restores target's HP.
#1:Cure Potency: 400
#2: Cure Potency When Cast on Egi's: +500%

Obviously, this was an example and I have no idea what the modifier would actually need to be set at to be useful since Physicks skill modifier is based on mind.
However, this would allow summoners to heal Egi's for decent amounts of health while still curbing what they can do on players.

I feel like this is a simple fix that would be very helpful to SMNs and appease those upset by the loss of sustain.

The thing is the basic Physick is a useless action. It's ok in the beginning levels and is good for exposing Arcanists to healing but is out leveled once you pick the Summoner job path. On the higher level NPC's I receive more healing plus get DPS with Drain and Energy Drain. So if it is going to be buffed just for pets why not just remove it and give us back Sustain?