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    You can't have your emergency tactics gives you a 100% crit on adlo and have deployment tactics at 1min.
    That would mean scholar could deploy a crit adlo every minute. (especially if you want adlo potency increased to 400)

    It is too powerful.

    However...since it's now cleary written in adloquium description that a crit doubles the potency of the shield, having to possibly to force the crit "could" be an idea and give scholar back his strongest ability to shield.
    But obviously, the CD of such a thing couldn't be low, it would be overpowered.

    I agree that Selene should have a little rework but, I don't know, I'm not a big fan of giving her damages boost...
    We know how the balance healers currently is.

    I'd rather prefer that fairy gain mitigation, since it's scholar primary role and we didn't get any since a long time.
    Raw heals are great, you need some, but I choose to play scholar because I liked the mitigation role. But instead, they took off Virus from our toolkit [...]
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    You can't have your emergency tactics gives you a 100% crit on adlo and have deployment tactics at 1min.
    That would mean scholar could deploy a crit adlo every minute. (especially if you want adlo potency increased to 400)

    It is too powerful.
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    I may have worded it poorly, But what I'm saying is add the force crit to the current ability, this would trigger a heal not a shield.

    your next Adlo or Succor is a crit +Transforms the next Galvanize status into HP recovery equaling the amount of damage reduction intended for the barrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xygoz View Post
    I may have worded it poorly, But what I'm saying is add the force crit to the current ability, this would trigger a heal not a shield.

    your next Adlo or Succor is a crit +Transforms the next Galvanize status into HP recovery equaling the amount of damage reduction intended for the barrier.
    Emergency Tactics + Adlo + Deployement Tactics = Benediction for everybody every 1 min ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    Emergency Tactics + Adlo + Deployement Tactics = Benediction for everybody every 1 min ?
    Um? Xygoz's Emergency Tactics + Adlo would just be a large heal, same as it is now except with the guaranteed crit for consistency. Deployment Tactics after that would do nothing, because there's nothing to deploy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceasaria View Post
    Emergency Tactics + Adlo + Deployement Tactics = Benediction for everybody every 1 min ?
    no...
    Deployment tactics only works on shields...when emergency tactics is used Galvanize isn't a buff that goes on the target its just a heal.
    1000/1000 heal/shield turns into a 2000 heal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xygoz View Post
    no...
    Deployment tactics only works on shields...when emergency tactics is used Galvanize isn't a buff that goes on the target its just a heal.
    1000/1000 heal/shield turns into a 2000 heal
    It would be stupidly OP, unless you make it 3 to 5 minute cooldown. Remember that you can always use largesse to increase the potency. A guarante crit shield should have at least 3 min cooldown or should share CD with Deployment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaSonic View Post
    It would be stupidly OP, unless you make it 3 to 5 minute cooldown.
    At the 1000/1000/(2000) numbers it would be, but that's not what the actual potencies are. Adlo is 300/300, which makes the base heal from it under Emergency Tactics into 600. This is equivalent to Lustrate, and is actually still lower than Cure II/Benefic II. Crit multiplier is 1.4 (I believe), so giving Emergency Tactics a guaranteed crit effect bring it up to 840, which is reasonable on a 30sec CD, especially because it would still be tied to Adlo's MP cost.

    After typing that I realized that the crit multiplier on Adlo's shield translating to healing probably would be OP, as that would make it a 1260 potency heal every 30 seconds, but that could be worked around by just saying that Emergency Tactics isn't a true crit, but is instead a direct multiplier.

    EDIT: And after typing that I realized that HW Essential Dignity was a free (conditional) 1000 potency heal on a 40sec CD, so maybe actually not that OP after all.
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    Aldo's mp cost would still be super high so it would still be fine, if someone mp's out becuase they did an adlo every 30 seconds for no reason then they are just bad tbh

    The 30 sec cooldown typically will let you handle aoe heals and tank buster heals if needed as well as they tend to be that spaced apart, though in a group of 8 succor healing isn't usually needed outside of rare hyper potent boss aoe spam in progression content
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    Oh, I didn't read that part about keeping the healing effect. Still your reasoning is stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riyshn View Post
    Scholars lack an emergency heal that we can use reliably, this would turn Adlo into one without adding a new skill to scholars
    Emergency Tactics Your next Adlo or Succor is a forced crit along with its currect effect. increase recast to 45 seconds
    Do you even play SCH? SCH are the kings of emergency heals. If you don't have an emergency heal that can be used reliably it's because you mismanaged and you should be punished. AST only has 1 emergency heal ONLY 1 every 40 seconds. SCH has 3 every 60 seconds and can even be AoE. Don't tell me you don't have them because I'm going to answer you, get good.

    And if you have 0 emergency heals, there's a skill called dissipation that grants you 3 more stacks. That's the moment when you kill the fairy.

    BTW half of your buffs are broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riyshn View Post
    At the 1000/1000/(2000) numbers it would be, but that's not what the actual potencies are. Adlo is 300/300, which makes the base heal from it under Emergency Tactics into 600. This is equivalent to Lustrate, and is actually still lower than Cure II/Benefic II. Crit multiplier is 1.4 (I believe), so giving Emergency Tactics a guaranteed crit effect bring it up to 840, which is reasonable on a 30sec CD, especially because it would still be tied to Adlo's MP cost.

    After typing that I realized that the crit multiplier on Adlo's shield translating to healing probably would be OP, as that would make it a 1260 potency heal every 30 seconds, but that could be worked around by just saying that Emergency Tactics isn't a true crit, but is instead a direct multiplier.

    EDIT: And after typing that I realized that HW Essential Dignity was a free (conditional) 1000 potency heal on a 40sec CD, so maybe actually not that OP after all.

    It wouldn't be op at all, i said put it on a 40 seconds CD same as ES on astro heck give it a 1 min if you feel its still op. Scholars healing kit right now is terrible compared to the other 2 healers leting them have a big heal isn't going to break anything.
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