Scholar Fixes

[simiii]

I really like this fix for dissipation, sadly, we'll never see any of this. I doubt we see any love for many, many patches. Probably best to just level up AST or WHM at this point. SCH is broken.

How is sch broken? Sch is better in raids and whm is better in dungeons. Sch has a dps buff your spot is cemented in raid groups. And before you say "whm has highest personal dps" true but whm is not going out dps 6 other people.

[Xhareem]

Sch has a dps buff your spot is cemented in raid groups. And before you say "whm has highest personal dps" true but whm is not going out dps 6 other people.

Let's throw some light on CHAIN STRATAGEM (CS). The skill debuffs ONE target so it has 15% increased received crit rate. Crit rate ONLY translates directly into raw damage rating if these conditions are met:

1-Crit hits are twice as powerful as normal hits.
2-Base critical hit rating is 0%.

Explanation on 2: Let's say you normal hit for 1k, and you critically hit for 2k. If you hit for 100 normal hits (0% crit rate), you get 100k damage. With CS you hit for 85 normal hits and 15 crit hits, that's 115k damage (95x1k+15x2k). Your gain is 15k/100k=15%. Now consider your base crit rate is 30%. Without CS your damage is 130k (70x1k+30x2k). When CS is applied, your damage increases to 145k (55x1k+45x2k). Damage gain is 15k/130k = 11,54%. This is called DIMINISHING RETURN.

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[Xhareem]

Back to CS duration and CD, utopically you can have 12,5% uptime (15sec out of 120sec). I type UTOPICALLY because it's unwise to use the debuff on CD, since there are phases when you can't deal damage to the boss (boss invulnerable, damage required on adds, transition phases, heavy movement,...)

I don't know the exact crit rate->%crit translation, but at current gear level we can assume around 15% critical rate (the lower, the more damage increase from CS -diminishing return-), and critical hits being around 65% extra damage.

With all these hypothesis, the calculations are like follows:

15% crit rate, 12,5% uptime -> 1,875% increased crit rate for the whole combat (UTOPICAL as I explained before).
1,875% crit rate increase for 15% crit rate base -> 1,06% damage increase (65% x (1,875%/1,15))

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[Xhareem]

So, taking into consideration the real combat circumstances (not 12,5% uptime) and players in your party above 15% critical hit rate, you get a tiny +1% increased damage for the whole party (probably less tan that).

And as some other have posted in this and other forum threads, WHM damage is higher tan SCH damage (besides WHM heals for more and have more time to dps). Sincerely, I doubt bringing an SCH to the raid increases overall damage output.

[Supersun]

How is sch broken? Sch is better in raids and whm is better in dungeons. Sch has a dps buff your spot is cemented in raid groups. And before you say "whm has highest personal dps" true but whm is not going out dps 6 other people.

Basically Sch isn't broken because they threw Sch a bandaid? Sch minus chain stratagem would NEVER be invited to a raid over a White mage. The only reason it's invited to raids is because they decided to throw the class a raid buff spell. Let's not pretend that Scholar is in a great place because they put lipstick on a pig.

[amihavingfunyet]

Basically Sch isn't broken because they threw Sch a bandaid? Sch minus chain stratagem would NEVER be invited to a raid over a White mage. The only reason it's invited to raids is because they decided to throw the class a raid buff spell. Let's not pretend that Scholar is in a great place because they put lipstick on a pig.

That's some hot opinions there.
How come all the top parses of the current ex primals are AST/SCH? Because SCH is still a very strong healer and the added Chain Strategem made it even more valuable to a raid team.
Besides that, if you are a good healer (regardless of job) you won't have to worry about your raid spot.

took the bait/10

[Supersun]

That's some hot opinions there.
How come all the top parses of the current ex primals are AST/SCH? Because SCH is still a very strong healer and the added Chain Strategem made it even more valuable to a raid team.
Besides that, if you are a good healer (regardless of job) you won't have to worry about your raid spot.

took the bait/10

A strong healer that's doing nearly 50% less healing than the Ast in all of those parties?

Chain Stratagem isn't a strong healer. It's a strong enough healer for when solo Ast isn't enough.

If they gave Whm Chain Stratagem instead of Sch I'm pretty sure all of those comps would immediately switch to Whm/Ast instead.

The reason Sch is invited to all those trial fights isn't because of their healer as much as Chain Stratagem > Whm DPS, because DPS is largely all they look for in an offhealer.

[amihavingfunyet]

A strong healer that's doing nearly 50% less healing than the Ast in all of those parties?

You actually made me look through the parses of Susano and Lakshmi, most of the parses have a healing distribution of ~55% AST ~45% SCH. I looked at my own parses and they usually are close to 50/50 spread too (WHM/SCH).

Chain Stratagem isn't a strong healer. It's a strong enough healer for when solo Ast isn't enough.

If you want a really good group you will mostly balance out the healing between both of the healers to use their CDs to their best, you can see these in the top parses too.

If they gave Whm Chain Stratagem instead of Sch I'm pretty sure all of those comps would immediately switch to Whm/Ast instead.
The reason Sch is invited to all those trial fights isn't because of their healer as much as Chain Stratagem > Whm DPS, because DPS is largely all they look for in an offhealer.

Does WHM allow you to ignore mechanics with (spread) Adlo? No. Does WHM have reliable groupwide mitigation for every big raidwide damage (Fey Covenenant, Sacred Soil)? No. Does WHM have a constant healing pet that requires 0 MP and 0 GCDs from its owner? No. SCH brings so much unique utility, not even including Chain Strategem. Their healing kit didn't change all that much since HW (except the loss of Virus) and it's still as strong as ever.

Now I sincerely hope the character you have set on the OF is an alt. You don't even have a single healer at 70, AST even only at 30. You don't have a single Coil, Alex Savage or HW/SB primal achievement. Please tell me exactly why and where you think SCH is so much weaker than WHM? Preferably with some real examples and not just "WHM does more DPS on a dummy" and tell me why the current top parses aren't reflecting the fact that WHM is supposed to be better than SCH.

[Alisi]

Here would be my suggestions:

1. Give a cast time to both Lust and Indom so they can be cast whenever. Keep the aether stacks and let those spells be buffed, insta, and mp free versions of them.
2. Barring that, make the aether stacks regen when using other spells, but keep the base insta 3 stacks with maybe a slightly longer CD. EG: every time you use Physick, you gain half a stack or some such.
3. Every time you use a stack of aether, a healing buff should be applied. This should be stacking and we should be allowed to then spend the stack on other spells like MP regen.
4. Exco should place a shield on the target if it isn't used in time.
5. Broil could heal the lowest HP person for a certain amount of the damage done.
6. They should cut the MP costs on Aldo and Succ. xP

I'm leveling a WHM as we speak. It's crap to already see the 'sch need not apply' in the party finder lists. =.=

[amihavingfunyet]

You mean besides the fact that they took a baseball bat to both Aldoquiem, the Fairy, and Scholar's MP regeneration? Like, all the things that made Scholar amazing in HW...

Can't argue that Adlo has gotten a very significant increase in MP cost, but maybe you should take the hint that it's not meant to be a spamable skill.
Spamming Adlo was already a noob trap in ARR/HW and left you OOM quick.

Lucid Dreaming restores roughly 1k MP per tick (960 if I'm not mistaken) * 7 ticks = ~7k MP every 2 minutes, or 3.5k MP per minute. Now this is all for current values, so this is going to get worse as we get more gear. You have roughly 18k MP as SCH. So every minute you restore 1.8k (Aetherflow) + 3.5k (Lucid Dreaming) = 5.3k MP per minutes as opposed to 3.6k MP per minutes if you had old Aetherflow and no Lucid Dreaming. So you MP regeneration actually got buffed, unless you refuse to take LD, but that's only on you.
And I know it's not part of SCH's kit and it helps the other healers just as well, but Mana Shift and Refresh are a thing, and they are strong. So if you really are hurting that much for MP you might want to consider taking a support role into your progression (which you very likely already do anyway).

The Fairy nerf was roughly 17% on Embrace and Fey Illumination getting reduced from 20% to 10% (which was a bigger help for your co-healer anyway). That's by no means nerfed to the ground.

And only these 3 things made SCH amazing? It's whole kit was and still is amazing, but it's less on auto pilot.

I'll tell you a secret about Sacred Soil, it's pointless unless people are in danger of being 1 shotted

Now I really am convinced you never did any serious raid content. Sacred Soil has seen so many uses. J-Waves, Holy Bleed, Whirlwind, and many other AoEs which you can make so much easier to heal through would like to have a word with you.
Also, not everyone will always be topped for every mechanic.

does Whm have amazing AoE healing because Scholar will be using their stacks on Indom instead of Sacred Soil 99% of the time....oh yeah.

I'm not sure where you are getting at here? But SCH has the ability to reduce incoming damage so the other healer can heal up. It's not a one man show (unless you are solo healing).

Does Whm have healing that requires 0 MP and 0 GCDs? Benediction, Tetra, Assize, Assylum, ect...

You mean those skills that are all on a fairly long CD and have a combined lower HPS than the fairy? Besides the point that these are not directly comparable as the fairy and WHM's oGCD heals have different uses.

Let's ask a better question? Does Scholar have a Cure II? Can Scholar cast that Cure II for free every so often? Can Scholar cast a free Stoneskin after that Cure II. Oh right, Scholars are stuck spamming Physic...

Does SCH need a Cure 2? Or is one healer "spamming" their stronger heal enough?
I don't really like the comparison but if you account for Physick + Embrace (roughly 170 real potency) you end up with a 570 potency heal. I know the fairy has a 3 second GCD. But it's pretty clear that WHM and SCH have different approaches to heal people. And as chance would have it, the synergize really well.

The impression I get from a lot of "SCH" is that if their job is not the 100% mandatory healer for progression (and even then, see HW launch), they think their job is underpowered.