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  1. #91
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    Leonus's Avatar
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
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  2. #92
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    Clover210's Avatar
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    Arres Clove
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    Cactuar
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonus View Post
    So according to that chart, since I have over 940 skillspeed I should use the 2 sen opener over the 1 sen opener? And use the 3 sen opener in specific short phases?
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    Last edited by Clover210; 07-04-2017 at 04:39 AM. Reason: Removed my statement about STR pots, Infusion STR potions fits well in 3 sen opener

  3. #93
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    Jarinolde's Avatar
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    Kemira Sukono
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    Leviathan
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    Samurai Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Leonus View Post
    Just a quick note, he mentions 1 sen opener is worse if your SkS is >=940 and you have a SCH, or an AST giving you arrow, but I've had no runs that would give credence to such a claim. Also he notes that 3 sen opener is the best when a NIN is in the party, but this is flat out false. I believe for NIN, they themselves benefit best from TA happening at the 5th GCD, and the 1 sen opener is actually the best opener with a 5th GCD TA.
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  4. #94
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    Clover210's Avatar
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    Also, from what I've been reading people have been pointing out that once you go over 940 SkS, the 3 Sen opener is the better choice regardless of phase. One arguing that there is a delay on the 2nd Hagakure which I found to be false since I have not encounter this delay. It always comes off CD at the right time before I finish the combo off getting another Sen thus preventing me overlapping the 3 Sens I already have. Though my ping is 130ms-140ms so this could only be on my end.

    Edit: I parsed both openers multiple times at around ilvl314 with sks 941, I consistenly parsed better with the 3 Sen opener over the 1 Sen opener with the Susano dummy. Even despite clipping a little bit into the GCD with the double weaves
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    Last edited by Clover210; 07-05-2017 at 04:09 PM.

  5. #95
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    Laur1x's Avatar
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    Ryomou Shimei
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    Faerie
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    Samurai Lv 80
    So, which Lakshmi accessories are you guys keeping and which are you replacing with the stuff from Omega?
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  6. #96
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    Nominous Lhant
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Laur1x View Post
    So, which Lakshmi accessories are you guys keeping and which are you replacing with the stuff from Omega?
    Gonna keep the Lakshmi earrings for sure! Ala Mhigan Ring is gonna get replaced too, obviously. The other 3 accessories... well I want to say they're worth replacing too.

    The left side is taking away so much Crit though... I hate it !
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  8. #97
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    DarioGlenn's Avatar
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    Dario Glenn
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    Behemoth
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ItaruKarin View Post
    So I was just in a Susano ex party with another SAM, and his damage came as a bit of shock to me. I'm used to doing around 4200DPS with little to no melds and full blue gear + Susano weapon, but he just blew everything out of the water, reaching 4800 overall and 5100+ on specific phases like the sword.
    He made what i call the risky build. Instead of abusing Hagakure + 3 sen (which gives you more DPS overall simple because you do not have cast time using shinten later) he chose to bet for the crit setsugekka which, if crits, gives you more dmg than the shinten you would use by sacrificing all 3 sen for shintens.

    I myself am considering to have 2 builds accordingly to my party composition, since brd and drg can give you lots of crit buffs now, it may be very viable to have a full crit build. I already tested full determination meld build and it works pretty well regardless your party composition.
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    I am Alpha & Omega.

  9. #98
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    Daralii's Avatar
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Coeurl
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    This is a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway: how often should you use Hagakure after the opener? Just whenever you have sen, it's off cooldown, and won't cap your kenki?
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  10. #99
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    Nominous Lhant
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    This is a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway: how often should you use Hagakure after the opener? Just whenever you have sen, it's off cooldown, and won't cap your kenki?
    You've got it, pretty much. You can hold on to Hagakure to consume 1-3 Sen, to varying amounts of success as well. All depending on the length of the fight, cage mechanics, add phases, and other oddities. Trying to put yourself in a hole of, "Only use it for x amount" might end up more detrimental in some cases, so keep a flexible mind about it.
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  11. #100
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    Enju Abbagliato
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DarioGlenn View Post
    The start with shifu is simple because it gives you skill speed + auto attack speed.Were not for the auto attack buff, yukikaze + jinpu first would give you more damage until you get all 3 together (yuki + jinpu + shifu).

    The hagakure is 20 free sen for a shinten or kaiten since you re gonna use meikyo afterwards and , as a dps, you want to burn all of your off cooldowns asap to make it reset timer so you can use again since the fight has time limit.

    If you open with yukikaze + higanbana you wont have enough sen for Kaiten + higanbana, forcing you to use in midare (which gives you a HUGE increase in dots, especially crits).
    Skill speed does not increase the amount of auto attacks you do anymore. It is only for gcd reduction.
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