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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by aleph_null View Post
    If you make 100% tank stance uptime necessary to survive what are you going to give to the less skilled tanks to compensate for their lack of skills?
    Nothing. But I'd give more skilled tanks something to improve on, like more complex DPS rotation, or active but complex mitigation which mastery would greatly reduce the healing required. For me, being in tank stance is your basic state, like MNK in Fist Of Fire, or NIN and its poison (Before 4.0). The only reason a tank stance is required is because you need decent DPS when you solo. If the game didn't have solo instances, I'm pretty sure native damage would be 20% lower and native mitigation, 20% higher.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ariyn View Post
    Tanks simply have too much HP right now.
    Mobs should hit harder. If a tank has around 50k max HP, then tankbusters should do around 80-90k and tank stance should reduce damage by 50%.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 07-08-2017 at 06:05 AM.

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    Gravton Pentest
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    Diabolos
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    The only reason a tank stance is required is because you need decent DPS when you solo. If the game didn't have solo instances, I'm pretty sure native damage would be 20% lower and native mitigation, 20% higher.

    Mobs should hit harder. If a tank has around 50k max HP, then tankbusters should do around 80-90k and tank stance should reduce damage by 50%.
    Do you off tank with grit turned on? Couldn't we just turn on tank stance for the tank buster?
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravton View Post
    Do you off tank with grit turned on? Couldn't we just turn on tank stance for the tank buster?
    If normal attacks also do twice the damage, you'll keep your tank stance active to keep your HP as high as possible when the TB comes.
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    If normal attacks also do twice the damage, you'll keep your tank stance active to keep your HP as high as possible when the TB comes.
    But they dont want to scale attack power with vit, the so called main stat because of hp inflation.

    If the past meta sucks so bad, and nobody is pleased, and SE is tired of using str accessories, All they really have to do is make cooldowns like rampart scale with BIT either by making them a flat potency based on vit stat or something. Then the community would value the use of vit for things like mitigation, just like strength currently voosts how much healing clemency or equilibrium gives you.
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    Last edited by ADVSS; 07-08-2017 at 06:42 AM.

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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    If normal attacks also do twice the damage, you'll keep your tank stance active to keep your HP as high as possible when the TB comes.
    If normal attacks do twice the damage, you're looking at typically surviving tankbusters with huge margins because an AA can always go off simultaneously with the TB and you have to be prepared accordingly. Overall, unless AA lockouts are inserted, you'd only see less dynamics and more RNG frustrations in the tanking experience, merely offset to a higher HP amount where your active mitigation or "skill" has less to do with your survival. Accompanied, of course, by lost contribution and enmity control, unless AP were to scale with Vitality (and, in the long run, only Vitality).
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