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  1. #11
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    They did, but they also have lucid dreaming now. SCH MP recovery now looks a lot like WHM: Lucid every 2 minutes, and a 10% recovery ability every minute with procs that can reduce the CD.




    Eos can still solo heal dungeons if you get a geared enough tank. I know SCH was nerfed but what everyone seems to forget... SCH was best-in-class in a lot of areas too.

    The main thing is AoE DPS, but... for healing SCH is still OK. Any of the healers will struggle with huge pull + low end gear.
    I don't seehow anyone can play a class that gets one free ogcd to weave every 30 seconds. It is the clunkiest thing i have EVER seen. Healers lost their fluidity.

    ABC.

    How can you ABC if you have to stop your gcd to Lustrate? To Indom? To chain strategum? To rouse? To Excog? To sacred Soil? To Energy Drain? Bane? Deployment tactics? Emergency tactics? Fey union? Dissipation??? AND OH Shadowflare now too. You have to clip your GCD every time you want to use your tool kit.

    Sure you can Ruin II + Energy Drain + ability to do it, but you need 0 spell speed in your build to do so... so uh once a minute if you spend an aetherflow on HEALING. Anything else you're better off broiling and just letting your GCD rot. Even blizzard II gave time to weave.

    Speaking of SS. Anyone else realize that the buff they brought into HW with SS affecting DoTs is effectively moot? All the dots are gone. Thinking that it's going to sit behind det this time.

    Playing RDM has that weaving SCH used to have and better. They have Addle. They have instaraise. They have erase to cleanse dots and ogcd heal more than embrace once in a while and they have a 700 potency heal (if they precast) to help save the day in soloheal strats. All on top of mana shift to share the MP wealth.

    If you're disgusted with the new SCH direction play RDM. Might be your new main.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 06-27-2017 at 09:51 AM.

  2. #12
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    Lynk Lloyd
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Yeah i think it's definitely crit /det this time for us.
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    Kethic Zachrias
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    I hit i314 tonight on WHM, and what you meld doesn't really matter. The difference between max crit and no crit is about 2k on individual crit heals, and about 3% on crit rate. I ended up with over 19k MP with no Piety melds, and ~20.5k with max melds.

    I saw the most difference melding spell speed, but that's personal feel of the class. Without SpS melds, I had cast times over 2.4, which just kinda hurt. I'm down at 2.35(?) now with max SpS, and everything flows nicely. SSS Ex dummies clear with 22 seconds to spare. Sitting at ~1200 crit, ~1000 det, ~1400 SpS.

    Edit: I think it will be Crit for WHM in the long run, for the cooldowns reductions on crit cures, but I'm not inclined to stack that until we can get over 20% crit rate.

    Edit 2: You could get to 1984crit with food and favoring some i310 over i320 which is 18.3%, so whatever makes you happy.
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    Last edited by Kethic; 06-28-2017 at 02:25 PM.

  4. #14
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    Zalchion Dracho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    If you're disgusted with the new SCH direction play RDM. Might be your new main.
    QFT, started RDM yesterday, it is fun as eff! Have played SCH since the release of SCH and as people have said, i heal because i like SCH, i dont play SCH because i like healing.
    So you just got yet another DPS main, thanks SE ;P

    And for the OP, i think its crit all the way for SCH still.
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  5. #15
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    Nymelia Althorn
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    Tonberry
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    Just tested some piety on my SCH, and it seems that every point of piety gives roughly 3.32 mp, with a grade 5's 11 piety giving 36 mp each. If you maximized piety, you'd only gain roughly 600-700 max mp, in lieu of other important secondary stats, as well as a paltry 60-70 mp gain per minute on aetherflow and 13 mp gain per tick on passive regen. I recorded the changes after every piece of materia affixed, and can confirm that the mp gain doesn't scale with your total mp, it's a flat 3.32 per point.


    Edit: Silly me, forgot grade vi. I'd imagine the jump to +40 pie per mat would be significantly better, but I assume the flat rate would stay the same, giving you roughly +128 mp per mat.
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    Last edited by Multifridgeman; 06-29-2017 at 08:30 AM.

  6. #16
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    Meroko Yui
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    Famfrit
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    It's going to be a bit before those kind of posts start popping up. Although I did see one on tenacity and it seemed pretty garbage.
    Actually seen someone who was recording for world record purposes on parse actually using a tenacity set which wound up doing 100 more damage then the direct hit set. People are looking at tenacity as a damage reduction stat which it's garbage for but it actually decent for parse. It's been posted it'd take 1000 tenacity to actually boost your defense however. We still need to see the theorycrafts on this stuff but it seems more reliable for other reasons.
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  7. #17
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    bloodSp3c's Avatar
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    Renary Devarian
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    Ravana
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    White Mage Lv 100
    how much crit is too much? or is there such a thing!

    im currently ilvl311 and just been putting crit/pie materia with some det if i cant do crit/pie
    atm i have 1770 crit, 1067 det and 1515 pie
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    Direct Hit. Sub stats arent needed for healing.
    You cant plan with crit healing.
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  9. #19
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    Deox Rioux
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    Sargatanas
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Amaret View Post
    Direct Hit. Sub stats arent needed for healing.
    You cant plan with crit healing.
    I'm most likely going this route once I see how things are in Savage, at the very least put in a crit 6 when I'm not near crit cap on a piece then Direct hit the rest.

    Are there numbers out there yet for Direct hit rates for healers?
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  10. #20
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    Kethic Zachrias
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    Direct Hit only applies to DPS, not healing. So you can use it for boosting your down time do I guess, but it feels inefficient compared to other stats that have 2 or 3 benefits.

    Gathering data on Direct Hit is slow because it's not called out in the data stream, so they're having to do it by hand.
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