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    Stormblood stat weights?

    is Determination good now? i noticed Spell speed also increases potency of hots and dots. did Crit get hit? anyone have any clue what to prioritize?
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    It's going to be a bit before those kind of posts start popping up. Although I did see one on tenacity and it seemed pretty garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    It's going to be a bit before those kind of posts start popping up. Although I did see one on tenacity and it seemed pretty garbage.
    Actually seen someone who was recording for world record purposes on parse actually using a tenacity set which wound up doing 100 more damage then the direct hit set. People are looking at tenacity as a damage reduction stat which it's garbage for but it actually decent for parse. It's been posted it'd take 1000 tenacity to actually boost your defense however. We still need to see the theorycrafts on this stuff but it seems more reliable for other reasons.
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    Healer stat weights are mostly opinion, since we don't need to rely too much on our secondary stats for healing. And the last set of stat weights we had assumed you did 100% damage and 0% healing, which isn't very accurate for a healing job. :P

    In my opinion, you want to stack crit on SCH for adlo and Piety on WHM for Assize. Not sure what AST benefits the best from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic View Post
    Healer stat weights are mostly opinion, since we don't need to rely too much on our secondary stats for healing. And the last set of stat weights we had assumed you did 100% damage and 0% healing, which isn't very accurate for a healing job. :P

    In my opinion, you want to stack crit on SCH for adlo and Piety on WHM for Assize. Not sure what AST benefits the best from.
    Well basically it will make the choice easier, since the sub stats are garbage for healing itself.
    I can see crit now on WHM's cause of procs, but hell... im rearly healing with cure1/2 in lakshmi/susanoo ex
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    Quote Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic View Post
    Healer stat weights are mostly opinion, since we don't need to rely too much on our secondary stats for healing. And the last set of stat weights we had assumed you did 100% damage and 0% healing, which isn't very accurate for a healing job. :P

    In my opinion, you want to stack crit on SCH for adlo and Piety on WHM for Assize. Not sure what AST benefits the best from.
    I would say WHM can meld everything but piety. Surely the more piety you have the more mana you get back with Assize, but WHM is literally swimming in mana even without going for piety. They dont really need more. I can see piety being a thing more for ASTs (Not sure about Scholar, havent looked at them that much so far).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanghelios View Post
    I would say WHM can meld everything but piety. Surely the more piety you have the more mana you get back with Assize, but WHM is literally swimming in mana even without going for piety. They dont really need more. I can see piety being a thing more for ASTs (Not sure about Scholar, havent looked at them that much so far).
    Ast used to have the best management now I'm actually having to give myself ewers lol. Sch has it really bad right now though. Their mp costs are way up making crit adlo pretty unbearable to fish for and they cut aetherflow in half if I'm not mistaken. My group planned for the off heals to go sch for that sweet sweet crit buff, but at it's current state I think sch will be pretty stressful to raid with. Eos isn't able to keep up anymore either. My heart goes out to sch mains lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by FkinFrenchToast View Post
    and they cut aetherflow in half if I'm not mistaken.
    They did, but they also have lucid dreaming now. SCH MP recovery now looks a lot like WHM: Lucid every 2 minutes, and a 10% recovery ability every minute with procs that can reduce the CD.


    Quote Originally Posted by FkinFrenchToast View Post
    Eos isn't able to keep up anymore either.
    Eos can still solo heal dungeons if you get a geared enough tank. I know SCH was nerfed but what everyone seems to forget... SCH was best-in-class in a lot of areas too.

    The main thing is AoE DPS, but... for healing SCH is still OK. Any of the healers will struggle with huge pull + low end gear.
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    As a WHM, I find myself needing Peity right now in EX content, since groups are still taking lots of unnecessary damage.

    Crit is always nice. Det is likely fairly good for 4.0, but will fall off rapidly with content. Spell Speed is up in the air. I'm currently PIE / CRIT / DET, but will likely swap DET for SpS. I find 320 gear really slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    They did, but they also have lucid dreaming now. SCH MP recovery now looks a lot like WHM: Lucid every 2 minutes, and a 10% recovery ability every minute with procs that can reduce the CD.




    Eos can still solo heal dungeons if you get a geared enough tank. I know SCH was nerfed but what everyone seems to forget... SCH was best-in-class in a lot of areas too.

    The main thing is AoE DPS, but... for healing SCH is still OK. Any of the healers will struggle with huge pull + low end gear.
    I don't seehow anyone can play a class that gets one free ogcd to weave every 30 seconds. It is the clunkiest thing i have EVER seen. Healers lost their fluidity.

    ABC.

    How can you ABC if you have to stop your gcd to Lustrate? To Indom? To chain strategum? To rouse? To Excog? To sacred Soil? To Energy Drain? Bane? Deployment tactics? Emergency tactics? Fey union? Dissipation??? AND OH Shadowflare now too. You have to clip your GCD every time you want to use your tool kit.

    Sure you can Ruin II + Energy Drain + ability to do it, but you need 0 spell speed in your build to do so... so uh once a minute if you spend an aetherflow on HEALING. Anything else you're better off broiling and just letting your GCD rot. Even blizzard II gave time to weave.

    Speaking of SS. Anyone else realize that the buff they brought into HW with SS affecting DoTs is effectively moot? All the dots are gone. Thinking that it's going to sit behind det this time.

    Playing RDM has that weaving SCH used to have and better. They have Addle. They have instaraise. They have erase to cleanse dots and ogcd heal more than embrace once in a while and they have a 700 potency heal (if they precast) to help save the day in soloheal strats. All on top of mana shift to share the MP wealth.

    If you're disgusted with the new SCH direction play RDM. Might be your new main.
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