Why am I not seeing more shirk?

[Kinkoz]

You should be taking awareness over shirk in 4 man content, where you can't really use shirk anyway, and awareness is more mandatory to use alongside raw intuition.

How often do you really have to use Raw Intuition anymore against more than a single target, though? Especially since Raw no longer provides stacks/meter like it used to?

I haven't encountered a use for it yet outside of mitigating tank busters.

[ADVSS]

Tanks never needed shirk before, why do they need it now? TBH it shouldve been a dps skill, whiist the exact oppositte shoulve been what shirk is

[Hruodig]

How often do you really have to use Raw Intuition anymore against more than a single target, though? Especially since Raw no longer provides stacks/meter like it used to?

I haven't encountered a use for it yet outside of mitigating tank busters.

It's some alright mitigation against trash mobs, and I use it in susano ex when I'm tanking him before the third buster in dps stance.

Tanks never needed shirk before, why do they need it now? TBH it shouldve been a dps skill, whiist the exact oppositte shoulve been what shirk is

Again...completely missing the point. It's for maximing tank dps and multiplying aggro over the course of a fight, which in of itself is maximizing tank dps.

[Kinkoz]

It's some alright mitigation against trash mobs, and I use it in susano ex when I'm tanking him before the third buster in dps stance.

Only if the mobs are attacking you from the front, which has always been the case. The thing that made Raw + Awareness useful in dungeon content beforehand was the fact that it provided stacks. I know I made liberal use of it for faster Storm Cyclones and Decimates, which helped with AoE damage on mobs.

Like I said, it doesn't seem to have much of a use anymore outside of mitigating tank busters.

[Hruodig]

Only if the mobs are attacking you from the front, which has always been the case. The thing that made Raw + Awareness useful in dungeon content beforehand was the fact that it provided stacks. I know I made liberal use of it for faster Storm Cyclones and Decimates, which helped with AoE damage on mobs.

Like I said, it doesn't seem to have much of a use anymore outside of mitigating tank busters.

If you do big pulls, you will inevitably have some mobs hitting you from the side-hence where awareness still comes in use in dungeons, but not against trials/bosses. Sure it's not part of our dps rotation anymore, but no reason to not use it.

[Nikolas]

Tanks never needed shirk before, why do they need it now? TBH it shouldve been a dps skill, whiist the exact oppositte shoulve been what shirk is

The average tank player, which is probably the majority of the tank population, will probably never need to use it. I guess it's mostly for those tanks that want to stay out of tank stance and push content. It's also most likely used in more coordinated groups like statics.

[Kinkoz]

If you do big pulls, you will inevitably have some mobs hitting you from the side-hence where awareness still comes in use in dungeons, but not against trials/bosses. Sure it's not part of our dps rotation anymore, but no reason to not use it.

And that 100% parry chance only applies to when you're being smacked from the front, which makes using it pretty much useless in a big pull when you can just as easily use Vengeance, Rampart, and Thrill of Battle for mitigation and sustainability.

You're not wrong that Shirk is, essentially, useless in regular dungeon content, but I'd assume folks don't want to have to constantly open up that Skill tab just to swap Shirk and Awareness depending on which content they're doing and on their choice of Role Actions.

Of course, having both at the same time eliminates this issue, I suppose.

[Hruodig]

And that 100% parry chance only applies to when you're being smacked from the front, which makes using it pretty much useless in a big pull when you can just as easily use Vengeance, Rampart, and Thrill of Battle for mitigation and sustainability.

You're not wrong that Shirk is, essentially, useless in regular dungeon content, but I'd assume folks don't want to have to constantly open up that Skill tab just to swap Shirk and Awareness depending on which content they're doing and on their choice of Role Actions.

Of course, having both at the same time eliminates this issue, I suppose.

What I'm saying is-raw intuition is a free cd you can use in dungeons to decent effect on trash mobs. But you need awareness to make good use of it-so swap awareness out for shirk, since you won't need shirk in dungeons.

My solution is just to not play war in dungeons lmao, pretty much only play drk in dungeons now and then war for my static. Though I know a lot of my healer friends just use a macro to swap out protect for something else after they've applied it at the start of a dungeon, so that could be a solution.

[BluexBird]

So normally during Susano, after you tank swap, you don't really need to use a cooldown. But it's not like you're gonna do anything with them for the next two minutes or so, so you might as well pop one to help out your healers. But which one should you use?

If you end up having to keep switching sides, obviously you won't want to use Raw Intuition. But if it's the marked players that have to move, you'll literally be standing there for the next 20 seconds. This is an example of a perfect situation for Raw Intuition, without having to bother with Awareness.

Between Vengeance, Thrill of Battle, Rampart and Raw Intuition, you can basically choose the right moment to use each one. If you play your cards properly, and save Raw Intuition only for those times when you know you won't be moving much, you don't have to bring Awareness.

That said, regardless of how AMAZING everyone says Shirk is, it's not required. I mean, maybe if you want to be one of those players who is obsessed about SQUEEZING every last point of DPS down to the very decimal, then you'll be worried about tank swapping without using your enmity generator.

But FFS, you don't even need to be in tank stance! Just use Provoke, ONE round of your enmity generator, and unless the other tank is in tank stance or uses their generator as well, you'll be just fine.

[Kinkoz]

What I'm saying is-raw intuition is a free cd you can use in dungeons to decent effect on trash mobs. But you need awareness to make good use of it-so swap awareness out for shirk, since you won't need shirk in dungeons.

I understand perfectly well the purpose of using Raw Intuition and Awareness together. What I'm arguing is that Raw Intuition was more useful when it provided stacks because that frontal parry + negation of incoming crits, while still providing mitigation, was not nearly as reliable, especially in the big pull scenario you mentioned in which you'll have mobs on all sides of you.

I'm also aware of your solution. My point is, as I've said, that people most likely aren't going to want to constantly swap Shirk and Awareness for one another depending on which content they're doing as it is much more convenient to leave things as they are no matter what you're running.