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  1. #21
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    Sunako's Avatar
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Phoenix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    I was in omega two days ago and mt did 3,1k+ dps. Shirk is really op skill if used correctly, you dont need tank stance or enmity combo if you know how to use shirk properly. We did not even have ninja in our party.
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  2. #22
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    Hruodig Hruodiger
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    A successful tank swap requires Provoke and a tiny amount of brain power to time your enmity skill with it. Shirk is redundant and a waste of a slot.
    because tank swap is too easy with just provoke alone if both tank know what are they doing, and with the buff in potency of Flash/overpower/unlease recently it make shirk even more useless than before
    Once both of you understand that shirk allows for not only aggro multiplication throughout the fight, but also allows you to tank swap without having to do an aggro combo (which no tank wants to do an aggro combo anymore for optimal dps), then you will understand the power of shirk. Embrace it.
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  3. #23
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    Aleph Alpha
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ShariusTC View Post
    because tank swap is too easy with just provoke alone if both tank know what are they doing, and with the buff in potency of Flash/overpower/unlease recently it make shirk even more useless than before

    i take rampart, provoke, reprisal, anticipation and convalescence as my role skil, even anticipation can only parry physical damage but it still more useful than shirk, as PLD i don't need low bow for stun, but will swap low bow for anticipation in dungeon which i need to stun monster when i play other 2 tank
    Shirk is used to boost aggro, not "just" for tank swaps. I could hold aggro as pld without using a single halone in the entire susano fight, thanks to shirk and shadewalker. If that's not enough to convince people that shirk is good, then I don't know what is.
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  4. #24
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    Qoo Er
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    Sargatanas
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    what i want to know is why you think this game's playerbase is even half willing to learn or even try to put some kind of effort into anything that isnt the absolute bare minimum.
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  5. #25
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    Otorinth Uzoth
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 90
    I say we push Shirk to the point to where it IS the bare minimum (for 8 man content)
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  6. #26
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    Zen Jitsu
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 70
    I'm curious as to what ability people are taking over Shirk. Honestly most of the alternatives aren't that great, there are maybe 2 abilities I would take ahead of it if I could only choose 1, but currently I don't see any reason not to have it.
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  7. #27
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    Elleia's Avatar
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    Attica Jurlon
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 97
    My tank buddy always uses shirk and is also extremely confused at the number of tanks that don't use it. We've never encountered another tank in our Susano EX pug groups that will use it, even after he explains the benefits and how to use it. One guy even responded saying "I have shirk but if we tank swap correctly I shouldn't need to use it," and then proceeded to never swap out of shield oath for stormsplitter, making my friend's job much harder.

    Most others we encounter just don't say anything and don't use the skill, unfortunately, and we've had issues where he provokes during the cast, but the other tank steals it back and dies.
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    Last edited by Elleia; 07-07-2017 at 06:38 AM.

  8. #28
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    Galkus's Avatar
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    Galkus Kenpachi
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    Sargatanas
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    If you are serious about pushing dps numbers on a tank role than shirk is too valuable to pass up. Personally I find that these five role actions are damn near mandatory for premade 8 man content ( Rampart, Convalesce, Provoke, Reprisal, Shirk)
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  9. #29
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    Adam Zoldyck
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Miner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Galkus View Post
    If you are serious about pushing dps numbers on a tank role than shirk is too valuable to pass up. Personally I find that these five role actions are damn near mandatory for premade 8 man content ( Rampart, Convalesce, Provoke, Reprisal, Shirk)
    As a WAR I am taking Awareness 100% of the time over Convalesce.
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  10. #30
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    Hruodig Hruodiger
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    Ultros
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamZ View Post
    As a WAR I am taking Awareness 100% of the time over Convalesce.
    You should be taking awareness over shirk in 4 man content, where you can't really use shirk anyway, and awareness is more mandatory to use alongside raw intuition. In 8 man content though, where there's no large amount of adds to attack you from all side, shirk is a better pick over awareness. No reason to take out convolesence, a very useful ability, for any reason.
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