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    Plainview's Avatar
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    Licinius Crassus
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    Ultros
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    Gladiator Lv 70

    Why am I not seeing more shirk?

    I need someone to explain why I'm not seeing more shirk in 8-man content. At the very least, you need to explain why you don't bring it to Susano Ex and Omega V4.

    Now, before anyone jumps in and says tank swaps don't require shirk, let me say you are correct, but why wouldn't you use it now that it's available? Frankly, if you are going to make dps optimization your thing, then you should have it on your bar just as normal DPS should use their own enmity reducers. There have been a number of times now where I've been MT and had compensate for the lack of OT shirk with added enmity combos. I don't care enough about the loss of dps to make a stink over it in a group, but I really need to know why someone wouldn't bring it to an 8-man fight. Especially if you are going to go full 270 Meta Man as OT. (I personally don't wear 270 str pcs with PUG but that's me)
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    Asha Vakaar
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    Leviathan
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    Monk Lv 62
    Because a new mechanic that is poorly understood by the general populous will always go underused.
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    I'm more asking the guys who roll up in 270 str gear. Those are the people who shouldn't claim ignorance to a mechanic.
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    Adria Serra
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    Hyperion
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    You don't need to tank swap in V4. Thunder vuln up never goes up past 2 stacks.
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    Furious Laughter
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    Ravana
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixirboy View Post
    You don't need to tank swap in V4. Thunder vuln up never goes up past 2 stacks.
    Both tanks shirk swapping gives an instant (or staggered) 56% absolute threat increase per 2 minutes.
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    Elara Almasombria
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    Sagittarius
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    The same reason you don't see other tanks using Reprisal or TBH/Intervention in the other tank. Also, DPS not using goad/feint/Addle/Mana Shift or BRD/MCH not using Refresh/Tactician for gods know why.

    "I'm here to pew pew bro!"
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    Will Brannigan
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Shirk is still good even without tank swaps if only to let the MT get away with dps stance and almost no hate combos.
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    Elara Almasombria
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    Yep, taunt Shirk from the off tank and happy life.
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    Mr Populous
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    Sargatanas
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    Lancer Lv 56
    Because if you simply pay attention to the tank swap there is no need and more valuable choices.
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    Alexya Ultor
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Taubaud View Post
    Because if you simply pay attention to the tank swap there is no need and more valuable choices.
    More valuable choices? Given that, in an 8-man, each tank should have Rampart, Provoke and Reprisal, this leaves two slots.

    Anticipation? It's trash.
    Conv? Maybe. That's one slot potentially.
    Ultimatum? Also trash.
    Interject? Useful in some situations, but 8-man's is not one of them.
    Low blow? See interject.
    Awareness? Nice for WAR to cheese RI with, but not 100% needed. Possible option, but not really.
    Shirk? Loads of threat control; tanks don't need to be in tank stance to hold hate; tank swaps can be cemented without issue (no random aoe's directed to the wrong target).

    So of the 7 available options, only Conv is anything that could be considered "must have." Awareness is ok for WAR and not so great for DRK or PLD, but a WAR could go Awareness/Shirk just fine because they already get a boost to incoming heals thanks to Defiance if it comes down to it. So you're left with Conv/Shirk or Awareness/Shirk, depending on needs. But given that Shirk is super useful, there's no reason not to have it on your bar in an 8-man.
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