Red Mages Needs a Bit More Complexity

[Oscura]

Everyone's talking about Red Mage being OP and Easy, but I'm sure not seeing a ton of them in endgame content right now, so what's it matter?

Almost every single PF I've seen or been in has had a Red Mage that isn't me in it.

Just because there's like 10 Samurai for each Red Mage doesn't we aren't everywhere.

[Cyrocco]

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Really? I've seen the occasional RDM. But they're no more common than the flood of ASTs. Also, thank you for bring up Samurai, Samurai offers more DPS than any other job, is easily crushing RDM in terms of population, yet people seem to be fine.

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Are you talking about random PF matches, where of course RDMs are going to be common because 1.) New Job, 2.) New DPS Job, and 3.) Staplemark Job, or Statics that are going with a 3-melee 1-RDM combo on purpose?

Basically the only reason I'm posting is because RDM is fine, BLM has always been a hardcaster, nothing new there, everyone knew what was coming. No idea what's going on with SMN. But if people really want RDM more complex and nerfed, making DPS far less friendly to newcomers, I'll go back to healing and laugh at all of you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Oscura]

Really? I've seen the occasional RDM. But they're no more common than the flood of ASTs. Also, thank you for bring up Samurai, Samurai offers more DPS than any other job, is easily crushing RDM in terms of population, yet people seem to be fine.

"People seem to be fine."
Have you just conveniently ignored the entire thread dedicated around SAM being too strong that's over 40 pages for this long?
Or the fact that one of the most heated debates in the easiest/hardest SB DPS thread is about Samurai?

Both Red Mage and Samurai are subject to criticism.

[Galvuu]

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Nope, I was talking about the top 50 fastest Susano and Lak EX kills.
Top 10 has RDM in all, I believe (Susan has for sure, Lak there might be one without, if memory serves me correctly).
You can check for yourself here:
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/15#boss=1037
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/15#boss=1036

Plus, do mind that I said the most common core is RDM+BRD+NIN+MNK/SAM, not triple melee (less common).

Also, the AST example has no validity, as AST only has two other jobs to compete it and it's a clear favourite. It'll always be AST+something.
This is absolutely not true for dps.

(Why would I be talking about "random PF parties" when the subject was clearly serious endgame progression >.>)

[Cyrocco]

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Basically the only reason I'm posting is because RDM is fine, BLM has always been a hardcaster, nothing new there, everyone knew what was coming. No idea what's going on with SMN. But if people really want RDM more complex and nerfed, making DPS far less friendly to newcomers, I'll go back to healing and laugh at all of you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

/10char Cause quotes don't count.

[Oscura]

/10char Cause quotes don't count.

I never said I wanted RDM to be more complex or nerfed. Drop your sarcastic rhetoric and get over yourself.

Go back to healer, I really don't care. I will never party with you. I don't even know who you are. It factually makes no difference and has zero influence on my life.