Dragoons... how do you feel post 4.0?

[HoLoFoNo]

Let's see, DRG's 130->170 potency AoE Combo....

Compared to...110 potency Death Blossom?
Compared to...130 potency Rock Breaker (which can only be used consequitevely in Perfect Balance, otherwise 50 potency Arm of the Destroyer)?

SAM wins out, but DRG is definitely second best.

Not even close.

You aren't accounting for the fact that DRG isn't sustainable as you aren't able to refresh your core mechanic even if you have copious amounts of it.

MNK aoe will always be high than DRG due to elixir field being broken AF and now with riddle of fire memes it is incredibly powerful.
NIN now has hellfrog and ten - chi - jin which makes its aoe much better alongside katon and doton.
DRG has quite good aoe IF you are in LotD but otherwise it is pretty flat, not to mention its coverage is shit due to it all being lines.

[Vincent_Mateus]

Not even close.

You aren't accounting for the fact that DRG isn't sustainable as you aren't able to refresh your core mechanic even if you have copious amounts of it.

MNK aoe will always be high than DRG due to elixir field being broken AF and now with riddle of fire memes it is incredibly powerful.
NIN now has hellfrog and ten - chi - jin which makes its aoe much better alongside katon and doton.
DRG has quite good aoe IF you are in LotD but otherwise it is pretty flat, not to mention its coverage is shit due to it all being lines.

I don't think Nin's even scales down like Samurai's AoE does it? I thought Katon was flat potency for some reason

[HoLoFoNo]

It is, during ten chi jin the potential burst aoe is nonsensical. It hits all enemies for 250/500 potency and doton ticks all enemies for 320/640 potency. Hellfrog hits all enemies for 400 potency also.

[SunnyHirose]

DRG has quite good aoe IF you are in LotD but otherwise it is pretty flat, not to mention its coverage is shit due to it all being lines.

DRG AoE and LotD are mutually exclusive. Which is also a problem, but let's try to nip this perception in the bud, please. The role of BotD in an AoE session is to enable Geirskogul and buff jumps, not to make it take so long you can actually use Nastrond.

(Alas, I'm about to get on the road, math will have to wait.)

[HoLoFoNo]

DRG AoE and LotD are mutually exclusive. Which is also a problem, but let's try to nip this perception in the bud, please. The role of BotD in an AoE session is to enable Geirskogul and buff jumps, not to make it take so long you can actually use Nastrond.

(Alas, I'm about to get on the road, math will have to wait.)

The only time aoe is currently applicable is in dungeons. With that being the case all I meant is that if you have LotD up already, you can do your aoe rotation and get nastronds off. As it is, due to GSK having a longer cd than BotD and jump having an equivalent, you don't even have to keep it up. You can just pop BotD everytime you are gonna use the jumps or GSK.

The nature of the aoe is important too when it comes to actual fights. Something like A2S is actually pretty good for current DRG.

I don't even know the point I'm trying to make anymore, just putting this out there.