Tanks that think they are DPS, just stop...

[KMFDM_Kid2000]

OP, you really don't understand optimal play in Final Fantasy XIV. The only thing I ask is that you stop spreading misinformation. All that does is confuses new players and prevents them from playing optimally. I will NEVER understand how people will try to argue paradigms for sub-optimal play and think the numbers and results won't prove them wrong every single time.

[Kuwagami]

All that does is confuses new players and prevents them from playing optimally.

Urgh, no. the LAST thing we need is new players in DF with full STR accessories as tanks. Please don't. Actually, please don't even do that in DF even if you're pro. save that for competent groups, aka your own friends/static

[KMFDM_Kid2000]

Urgh, no. the LAST thing we need is new players in DF with full STR accessories as tanks. Please don't. Actually, please don't even do that in DF even if you're pro. save that for competent groups, aka your own friends/static

I'd love for you to point out where I said newbies should wear all STR accessories in the duty finder. Go on, I'll wait. In the mean time, learn what this is.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy

[Kuwagami]

No I actually didn't ignore it at all, you just didn't grasp the point. Essentially what you said is anything beyond a tank's 1,2,3 combo and cooldowns is just extra and not part of their job. For a dps anything short of using all their gcd's to maximize dps is considered bad. I would say the job of any class is to maximize gcd's for best performance. You wouldn't say the job of a dps is done if he's hitting his 1,2,3 combo with cooldowns, yet you said exactly that about tanks and implied that dpsing after that is optional and extra. So why the double standard?

I'll point you to a statement I said in the eaxct same message. You seem to have ignored that part.

the job hasn't changed one bit ever since early 2.0. Tank and Spank shit, spank harder if the tanking part is only making up for 10% of your attention.

Hey look, I totally did say that tanks should optimize their rotation for dps once the tanking part (aka 1-2-3 hurr durr I got hate now) is over. There is no double standard. Tanks doing 1-2-3 all day long are bad. mediocre at best if they use their CDs in a sorta optimized way as to relieve healing stress. Average tanks will do dps combo once hate is secured in tank stance in case of shit happening. Good tanks will drop tank stance whenever they can without putting stress on healing for no reason. Excellent tanks (in excellent groups) will pretty much stay in dps stance forever since hate isn't an issue and the group actually knows how to mitigate shit as a group duty and not only "tank hits CD and healer heals" (OT uses a support CD (poor WAR), dps uses addle or physical equivalent, pallissade, apoc, etc...).

Optimizing one's rotation is part of the job, and I am not sure where you saw me saying people shouldn't optimize their rotation as tanks

I'd love for you to point out where I said newbies should wear all STR accessories in the duty finder. Go on, I'll wait. In the mean time, learn what this is.

OP is saying that STR meta tanks should gtfo and stop being bad (their opinion, mine is irrelevant on the subject). You're saying they spread misinformation and are confusing new players, implicitly saying that new player should conform to the STR tank meta. That is NOT a goot idea in any regards. Even if that may not be your intention, you are confusing newbies out of the intended role SE would have tanks going, in favor of a player-made optimization exploiting design oversights.