Tanks that think they are DPS, just stop...

[KMFDM_Kid2000]

OP, you really don't understand optimal play in Final Fantasy XIV. The only thing I ask is that you stop spreading misinformation. All that does is confuses new players and prevents them from playing optimally. I will NEVER understand how people will try to argue paradigms for sub-optimal play and think the numbers and results won't prove them wrong every single time.

[Kuwagami]

All that does is confuses new players and prevents them from playing optimally.

Urgh, no. the LAST thing we need is new players in DF with full STR accessories as tanks. Please don't. Actually, please don't even do that in DF even if you're pro. save that for competent groups, aka your own friends/static

[KMFDM_Kid2000]

Urgh, no. the LAST thing we need is new players in DF with full STR accessories as tanks. Please don't. Actually, please don't even do that in DF even if you're pro. save that for competent groups, aka your own friends/static

I'd love for you to point out where I said newbies should wear all STR accessories in the duty finder. Go on, I'll wait. In the mean time, learn what this is.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy

[Kuwagami]

No I actually didn't ignore it at all, you just didn't grasp the point. Essentially what you said is anything beyond a tank's 1,2,3 combo and cooldowns is just extra and not part of their job. For a dps anything short of using all their gcd's to maximize dps is considered bad. I would say the job of any class is to maximize gcd's for best performance. You wouldn't say the job of a dps is done if he's hitting his 1,2,3 combo with cooldowns, yet you said exactly that about tanks and implied that dpsing after that is optional and extra. So why the double standard?

I'll point you to a statement I said in the eaxct same message. You seem to have ignored that part.

the job hasn't changed one bit ever since early 2.0. Tank and Spank shit, spank harder if the tanking part is only making up for 10% of your attention.

Hey look, I totally did say that tanks should optimize their rotation for dps once the tanking part (aka 1-2-3 hurr durr I got hate now) is over. There is no double standard. Tanks doing 1-2-3 all day long are bad. mediocre at best if they use their CDs in a sorta optimized way as to relieve healing stress. Average tanks will do dps combo once hate is secured in tank stance in case of shit happening. Good tanks will drop tank stance whenever they can without putting stress on healing for no reason. Excellent tanks (in excellent groups) will pretty much stay in dps stance forever since hate isn't an issue and the group actually knows how to mitigate shit as a group duty and not only "tank hits CD and healer heals" (OT uses a support CD (poor WAR), dps uses addle or physical equivalent, pallissade, apoc, etc...).

Optimizing one's rotation is part of the job, and I am not sure where you saw me saying people shouldn't optimize their rotation as tanks

I'd love for you to point out where I said newbies should wear all STR accessories in the duty finder. Go on, I'll wait. In the mean time, learn what this is.

OP is saying that STR meta tanks should gtfo and stop being bad (their opinion, mine is irrelevant on the subject). You're saying they spread misinformation and are confusing new players, implicitly saying that new player should conform to the STR tank meta. That is NOT a goot idea in any regards. Even if that may not be your intention, you are confusing newbies out of the intended role SE would have tanks going, in favor of a player-made optimization exploiting design oversights.

[Cevoh]

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That's just straight up wrong though, especially with shirk around now its easier to stay in DPS stance even if the DDs are going ham. Have you people never done progression raiding? You aren't over geared you aren't fed top of the line tome gear yet every drop of DPS counts to push that next phase.

What is so wrong with us wanting to maximize the efficiency of our class? If we can survive and hold agro what the hell is wrong with us pushing an inch further? Everyone that says "tanks don't need to dps" either doesn't tank or doesn't do end game raiding because you wouldn't have that mind set otherwise. It's about squeezing every last bit I can get out of my class.

If some of you guys are content about being a sponge, a turtle and just stand there then by all means but don't go about saying "tanks don't need to dps" cause why the fuck not? I'm not asking to be big dick top dps, but I don't want to feel like I have a foam axe either.

[Dicejss]

I know most of you are all being sarcastic a**holes but the OP was stating a fact that all the tanks are trying to play their class like a dps instead of doing your job which is to tank. Yes you do dps and no you will never be at the top of the dps charts and you shouldn't be. I understand you want to optimize your dps for faster runs or downing harder content that makes sense and I get that logic. However your job is to sock damage and HOLD threat. So if you're wearing all these STR accessories just so you can do more dmg because you "want to be the very best that no one ever was" does not make you "pro-tank". It makes it harder on the healer to keep your role confused self alive when you try to pull the whole dungeon or for those tank busters. So leave the dpsing for the dps classes and be happy with what your class can dish out as is.

[YitharV2]

It makes it harder on the healer to keep your role confused self alive when you try to pull the whole dungeon or for those tank busters.

It only really makes it harder if you don't know how to use your mitigation CDs. All VIT does is provide a larger leeway for error. VIT doesn't provide any mitigation whatsoever.

To be fair though, it does seem like some people (not just tanks) don't know what their role is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...doing/djupjbz/

[Fluffernuff]

Alrighty. I don't even know why THIS became the new horse to beat, but alright.

You're tanking. Alright. Tank stance. Don't play like a DPS, so use your aggro combo exclusively.
... Well, actually, what is "tanking"? well that seems easy to define. you have 2 major checkboxes to define the VERY CORE BASICS of tanking. 2 things.

1) Am I getting beat in the face harder than your- nevermind. forget that thought. You are? Alright. Cool. Let's move onto to the other checkmark.
2) Are you surviving the attention of your overly clingy ex despite the restraining order you filed last week? No? It's ok. Cooldowns are there for that! Good job. You used one!

Alright. POP QUIZ! The above has been established- what else do you do now? What do you think is BETTER? Which do you think is more SKILLED? Which do you think is actually PROPER?

Do you...
A) Continue using an ability that offers no further benefit, while still penalizing yourself and the group's current progress.
B) Ignore the other 2/3rds of the abilities given to you over the course of 40 levels because "it's not part of your job".
C) Actually recognize your job is being fulfilled already and use abilities you have access to for the benefit of your fellow players.
D) I PLAY HOW I WANT, YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB!!!1!!1

[DRKoftheAzure]

This post has gotten so out of control that any posts after page 11 will no longer be relevant because a lot of people don't seem to read/listen...

[Kinkoz]

This post has gotten so out of control that any posts after page 11 will no longer be relevant because a lot of people don't seem to read/listen...

That's because your original argument demonstrates a total lack of understanding for what the problems are that people are complaining about. If anything, you're the one who doesn't seem to be reading/listening.