Tanks that think they are DPS, just stop...

[Kinkoz]

Most healers that dont touch tanks probably didnt know throwing medica 2 on the party right as the tank was nearing the group of mobs was why they all started chasing that healer as well. Until they were told.

Or that Medica 2 spam on a large group of party members can also tear aggro off a Tank pretty easily.

I think I'm still traumatized on some level by the number of healers who did this on Titan Hard and Extreme. Even more so by the number who were told WHY the Tank lost aggro, then proceeded to blame the Tank for it regardless.

[ManuelBravo]

Or that Medica 2 spam on a large group of party members can also tear aggro off a Tank pretty easily.

I think I'm still traumatized on some level by the number of healers who did this on Titan Hard and Extreme. Even more so by the number who were told WHY the Tank lost aggro, then proceeded to blame the Tank for it regardless.

As long as the tank is well geared, knows job rotations, it shouldn't. It's rare that Medica 2 Spam takes enmity even in large groups settings. It's more of the way tanks use their aoes and manage hate bars. If in a Single mob fight let Tank build enmity a bit first. Hopefully he isn't under geared. If they are they are actions to lower enmity generation which healers and even some DPS should know how top use.

[Marianno]

Having leveled tank a little bit more and more as frequently as I am able to play, I can see why tanks are asking for strength to be placed on their accessories. There are too many DPS who simply do not bother using enmity skills and if I (when I play tank) ask if they could use them, I am either vote kicked or they continue to pull aggro upon which, I use shirk to kill them off. I do not believe that all tanks are trying to play DPS tank. I do see some tanks who are solely concerned about their DPS but I do not believe this is the majority. I think, until DPS learn to use the enmity skills or are forced to use them, tanks will not have an easier time in content. Even if there are tanks who can hold aggro while wearing VIT accessories, the fact remains that there exist over-zealous DPS who want to pull aggro and play tank as a DPS. I do not believe that tanks are entirely at fault, enmity is a party-wide responsibility and not just the tanks job. Just my opinion.

[Ash_]

As a DRK I wield the largest, sharpest, heaviest weapon in game... theoretically it should kill in one hit. But instead the paper from a tome hits harder.

Can SE just drop the idea tanks shouldn't be able to do decent DPS in tank stance? Hell, why not get rid of stances completely, it seems redundant. Just apply the tank stance as trait, like they changed NIN's poison effects to a trait.

[Mnemosynia]

Just wanna put a disclaimer in this thread for tanks, most the people talking in this thread are not tanks you can freely disregard most if not all of this opinions.

[Tegernako]

You know who you are. stop complaining about your DPS numbers and hold aggro with aggro builder combos, and if DPS die because of they casually ripped aggro off you then that is your fault because you didn't hold aggro on that 1 trash mob. if they used an AoE, then that is their fault. Do you job as a tank and hold aggro. Because I already am.

I found the person who actually wants to delete WAR.

Never mind that SE actively gives tanks DPS tools, a DPS stance, and has an entire job the revolves around all of its utility doing damage at some point. Not to mention a level 70 ability that's literally all about doing damage.

Also I do damage and hold aggro. I do my job and I do it better then you apparently.

[Yonanja]

My thoughts on this matter are: I use all my abilities, that includes the dps ones... however, if you want me to use non-tanking gear that's not aimed at survivability, then you'd have to pay me. I've lost count of how many times I've been down around 5-6k Hp during extremes and other encounters, even with pretty good healers, if I were using the old str gear... I would have been dead a couple of thousand HPs before that point. Those str accessories lowers Hp by almost 10k, which out of a tanking perspective is a moronic choice (in my opinion overcourse). No small increase in dps and 15ish% is rather low for a tank, is worth risking a wipe for, considering that 1 minute won't change anything.

[Hruodig]

My thoughts on this matter are: I use all my abilities, that includes the dps ones... however, if you want me to use non-tanking gear that's not aimed at survivability, then you'd have to pay me. I've lost count of how many times I've been down around 5-6k Hp during extremes and other encounters, even with pretty good healers, if I were using the old str gear... I would have been dead a couple of thousand HPs before that point. Those str accessories lowers Hp by almost 10k, which out of a tanking perspective is a moronic choice (in my opinion overcourse). No small increase in dps and 15ish% is rather low for a tank, is worth risking a wipe for, considering that 1 minute won't change anything.

The dps increase is actually pretty substantial, anywhere from a 500-600 dps increase during the fight. I wouldn't recommend going full str if you only pug, but a couple str accs don't hurt.

[VargasVermillion]

The dps increase is actually pretty substantial, anywhere from a 500-600 dps increase during the fight. I wouldn't recommend going full str if you only pug, but a couple str accs don't hurt.

Personally I use 2 dps and 3 fending and swap more of each depending on the situation.

[Hruodig]

Personally I use 2 dps and 3 fending and swap more of each depending on the situation.

That's what I do if I have to play with pugs/my more casual friends. If I'm with my static though, I go full str.