Tanks that think they are DPS, just stop...

[Renkei]

I want to do Savage mode content

I've cleared all Binding Coils b4 Echo, Cleared Second Coil b4 Echo, and Final Coil b4 Echo, Cleared All Forms of Alexander b4 Echo, Mained Tanks and Heals for Binding Coil, Second coil DPS, Final Coil DPS/Tank,
Father DPS, Son DPS, Creator Tank/DPS.

There is tons of fun to be had with a static even if you have to pub it, I managed to float replacement DPS for most of Second coil until i landed a static,
If you are looking for a Casual static for Savage there exists that out in the community, there's groups out there that just joke and try having a good time but still get clears enough to make it worth it and enjoyable for them.

the damage numbers from DRK is looking around 2700 while warrior and paladin are 3200 , PLD HAS 40%+ block.
Doing DPS is second priority for us, Especially for some of us who have been tanking for so long holding aggro is a trivial joke and all that's left is to MIN/MAX Damage

[Campi]

Tanks that do only 1-2-3 in Tank-Stance, just stop...

[aqskerorokero]

OMG....I have to log in to respond to this one.....As an aggressive tank, you think you are "pro" because you can dps stance while using properly cooldowns to stay alive enough when outputting maximum dps. Well, you know what? You are NOT! You can play like this only because you HAVE A HEALER THAT IS GOOD FOR REAL and NOT busy to healer other real dpses in the party. And PRAY for a healer that mainly focus on healing.......

[Baci]

OMG....I have to log in to respond to this one.....As an aggressive tank, you think you are "pro" because you can dps stance while using properly cooldowns to stay alive enough when outputting maximum dps. Well, you know what? You are NOT! You can play like this only because you HAVE A HEALER THAT IS GOOD FOR REAL and NOT busy to healer other real dpses in the party. And PRAY for a healer that mainly focus on healing.......

No

/char

[Cevoh]

OMG....I have to log in to respond to this one.....As an aggressive tank, you think you are "pro" because you can dps stance while using properly cooldowns to stay alive enough when outputting maximum dps. Well, you know what? You are NOT! You can play like this only because you HAVE A HEALER THAT IS GOOD FOR REAL and NOT busy to healer other real dpses in the party. And PRAY for a healer that mainly focus on healing.......

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. I can't go offensive tanking unless I have a good healer I can trust? Well no shit, I trust my static healer and others that I know. Being a good tank is about gauging the capabilities of your party not just your own.

My healers acknowledge and know I'm going to be stance dancing or straight up DPS stance and they are more then happy to keep me up WHILE also dpsing them self. So... what's your point?

[Voormund]

Aggro is something the whole party should focus on, not just the tank, and conversely DPS is also something the whole party should focus on not just the dedicated DD's. If you are ignoring your responsibility as a tank of maintaining enough enmity to safely DPS that is one thing, but if DPS are nuking everything in sight ignoring aggro-reduction abilities and not using their brains as to when they need to back off - that is another. With that said if you are safely ahead on the threat meter and just standing there continuing to pour on enmity instead of helping do more damage - it doesn't make any sense. As someone who played WoW through the years where tanks focused more on damage reduction and higher threat than damage (the dark days of trying to make a Paladin uncritable - one missed Holy Shield could kill you and you always focused on mitigation first) and then seeing the game transition to tanks doing crazy amounts of damage - in tank stance no less - was a weird change.

That's just the way it works in this game, I mean not for nothing I'm more of a traditionalist also and not crazy about the idea that I've also got to try to manage putting out the most damage I can while still managing my damage reduction CD's and making sure I'm keeping threat and moving the boss where it needs to be - but that's what tanking is in this game. If that doesn't sound like fun to you I would just change to another class type or not play the game. That's not me being snarky or smarmy, that's just me saying I don't think the dynamic of tanking in this game is going to change anytime soon and if you don't like what it currently is you are probably not going to have fun tanking in this game. It's going to be expected of you to know when you can help out with damage and to help out as much as possible. Doesn't do any good to get mad at the tanks who have accepted this - get mad at the devs for designing the game that way.

[Kuwagami]

Excuse me you filthy peasant tank player, I am the hero here! Only MY damage should matter. You should be the good little dog you are and sit there with your shield up so I can have fun being the great hero.

I'll just comment on that since the subject at hand doesn't interest me anymore (been since 2.1 that we get the same debate, same arguments all over again at every patch and the only results so far were SE being confused at what they do since all their design decisions thus far are contradicting themselves).

In a well designed "tanks do tank stuff, heals do heal stuff, dps do dps stuff" game, a dps getting agro would result in his quick and painful death immediately. So much for a "hero". I know it's easy to spit on the shield, but they are the sole reasons the DPS are able to do anything in the first place without being torn apart, and healers maintain the group as best as they can. So your sentence can very well be written again :

Excuse me you filthy peasant DPS player, I am the hero here! Only I can survive that foe. Go stick it with your pointy toys while I keep it occupied and don't forget to thank me for saving your sorry ass. and the healer for saving mine

[Chronons]

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GO BACK TO THE HEALER SECTION

[Evaddaragon]

I might be wrong, but looking at the kit we currently have, I pretty much say it would be different imo. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, our kits expanded (both DPS and tanks, the latter getting even more DPS tools I'd say), but the actual proportion of STR from tanks who only have STR on the left side versus DPS who had on both sides didn't.

In fact, it never did, actually! Ever since the beginning of ARR. What changed is the ratio of AP between tank and DPS after the STR/VIT change and it got lowered in favor of tanks. Before Heavensward, we had a 1:1 ratio of STR>AP. In 3.2, we got .45STR+.45VIT>AP because gear gives us more VIT than STR at equal iLVLs. And it got back to 1:1 STR>AP in Stormblood.

When the formula changed from STR to STR/VIT, it was solely to prevent tanks from using full STR accessories as it was against the intended use and it made tanks compete with melee DPS for the STR accessories that dropped, creating imbalance. People who already used full VIT accessories saw a AP boost from the change, if only a small one. Those who used full STR accessories got a bigger nerf, and had to switch back to VIT accessories. Even that failed a bit, because in some cases, people would prefer the secondaries over the loss of AP (like avoiding Parry as if it was the plague).


Granted, this ended up giving us tanks more DPS, and even though I've always said it's not something I bother about, of course I wouldn't complain if I did more. Hahaha

I suppose I'm not against people wanting to have that back. I'm not actually against tanks doing more DPS.

I am against people using accessories not meant for them. I'd actually prefer SE puts STR of tank accessories and close that debate. But people have to realize that STR/VIT will not come back. Yoshi-P stated himself, and I've known since 3.2 it was a temporary measure and it would get reverted in Stormblood. Why people forgot that, I do not know.

[KMFDM_Kid2000]

OP, you really don't understand optimal play in Final Fantasy XIV. The only thing I ask is that you stop spreading misinformation. All that does is confuses new players and prevents them from playing optimally. I will NEVER understand how people will try to argue paradigms for sub-optimal play and think the numbers and results won't prove them wrong every single time.