As a new player, running through the Praetorium dungeon was the worst

[Yshnal]

Each time that I do the main story roulette and there's someone new, if I see that they are watching the cutscenes I politely ask the rest of the team to wait after explaining them that:

1) We're doing that roulette because we want. There's plenty of alternatives to get the same tomestones in the same (or less) time, without disturbing someone trying to enjoy the story.
2) If we need these specific tomestones, we're getting additional ones due to the new players. That's a whole other run that we don't need to do to get them.

If they proceed to ignore me, I simply wait with the new players (out of the boss room, or to guide them if they get lost somewhere else, like with the magitek). At this point the additonal dps/healer/tank is not needed, but at least I'm doing what I feel is right. I simply can't bear to see the new players' experience ruined because someone can't wait on the dungeon that they voluntarily joined out of the other alternatives that there's to get the very same tomestones. Ruining their experience on top of getting an extra thanks to them is just rude and selfish, especially when you run those dungeons because you want.

But I'm not that naive to not see that these rude players run that roulette just because of that reason (potential additional tomestones), and couldn't care less about someone else. They just want to finish it ASAP and f*ck everyone else. That, or they're just stupid and didn't notice that they don't need to run that.

By the way, it's not just the cutscenes what they get ruined, and thus the context of the whole dungeon (thus getting spoiled once they try to run it again or watch the cutscenes at the inn), but also boss fights or fun mechanics like the magitek mount part.

There's no excuse. When I don't want to wait I don't join the main story roulette, and I do something else.

P.S.: I also vote to perma ban people like the asshole that purposely spoiled the story on the OP's run.

[Nixxe]

Each time that I do the main story roulette and there's someone new, if I see that they are watching the cutscenes I politely ask the rest of the team to wait after explaining them that:

1) We're doing that roulette because we want. There's plenty of alternatives to get the same tomestones in the same (or less) time, without disturbing someone trying to enjoy the story.
2) If we need these specific tomestones, we're getting additional ones due to the new players. That's a whole other run that we don't need to do to get them.

If they proceed to ignore me, I simply wait with the new players (out of the boss room, or to guide them if they get lost somewhere else, like with the magitek). At this point the additonal dps/healer/tank is not needed, but at least I'm doing what I feel is right. I simply can't bear to see the new players' experience ruined because someone can't wait on the dungeon that they voluntarily joined out of the other alternatives that there's to get the very same tomestones. Ruining their experience on top of getting an extra thanks to them is just rude and selfish, especially when you run those dungeons because you want.

But I'm not that naive to not see that these rude players run that roulette just because of that reason (potential additional tomestones), and couldn't care less about someone else. They just want to finish it ASAP and f*ck everyone else. That, or they're just stupid and didn't notice that they don't need to run that.

By the way, it's not just the cutscenes what they get ruined, and thus the context of the whole dungeon (thus getting spoiled once they try to run it again or watch the cutscenes at the inn), but also boss fights or fun mechanics like the magitek mount part.

There's no excuse. When I don't want to wait I don't join the main story roulette, and I do something else.

P.S.: I also vote to perma ban people like the asshole that purposely spoiled the story on the OP's run.

And if everyone who wasn't willing to sit around for 35 minutes each run doing nothing exercised those alternatives, the cutscene watching sprout wouldn't get into Praetorium in the first place. You can blame players for SE's failings, but you're just being entirely unreasonable.

[Kuo]

I have heard that on JP servers they wait on new players watching cutscenes.

So its like if you cant wait on new players watching cutsences, don't queue roulette for story dungeons

[missybee]

I got my clears on Prae and Castrum back when people were farming Darklight, and they did not wait for me to get out of the cutscenes.

The group assured me that they didn't mind me watching the cutscenes rather than participating, so that was what I opted for.

It sucks that you are inevitably faced with choosing either the cutscenes or participating in the dungeon, but you do have to bear in mind that this content is nearly four years old, and the cutscenes are VERY lengthy.

Posting spoilers for upcoming plot points, however, is pretty undeniably rude.

[Sammix87]

I’ve been playing ARR since it launched in 2013 for PS3 and am now on PS4. Back when Castrum and Praetorium were slightly harder, and less zergable, these two dungeons were among the few that were good for farming tomes for the Darklight gear and other sets. This means that for many of us we have run these dungeons over 100 times......we don't want to run them for longer than we have too.

I don’t think many players who run this content want to punish new players but you do have to appreciate that this is old content, and as someone else said, with queuing times of up to, and over, 45 minutes people don’t want to be in this dungeons for long periods of times.

Most of the cutscenes in this content, from what I remember, are mostly silent scenes of your character looking around. All of these scenes are also available to watch in the inn room at any time which is part of the reason why people don’t want to wait for the few players watching them.

I’m sorry you had a bad experience and I’m sorry for the people who got kicked, I feel that is taking things a bit too far. Perhaps next time, if you wish to view the scenes in their entirety while running the duty, perhaps you should check with the party at the start of the run – politely ask as some people in the DF can actually be accommodating. Otherwise your option is to find an FC or a PF group.

Also keep in mind that some players don’t have a lot of play time and these dungeons with the cutscenes can be time consuming.

[Yshnal]

And if everyone who wasn't willing to sit around for 35 minutes each run doing nothing exercised those alternatives, the cutscene watching sprout wouldn't get into Praetorium in the first place. You can blame players for SE's failings, but you're just being entirely unreasonable.

I pretty much doubt it. I've met plenty of nice players that were there to help, or that didn't mind waiting. Also, even if no one went there, then what? At least then the new players would have to find out how to make a party outside of the duty finder, potentially avoiding this issue (something that a lot are suggesting them to do even in the current circumstances). Keep in mind that a lot of new players just use the DF unaware of the other options, or because they didn't have the need to find a FC earlier.

Also, I've never said that it's just the players' fault, in general. We discussed this a lot back in 2013, and both SE and the players didn't do things as they should. The former for not taking into account the western mentality and always thinking the best about the players (this is not the first situation where this happens), and the later for abusing the system whenever they can.

[Furiea]

i hear you. As a healer i had just unlocked Kugane Castle last week. The last boss was awesome. However, as I was watching the cutscene I saw the "this room will be sealed in 15 minutes."

I think it is inconsiderate for new dungeon folks as well

silly rabbit... just stay outside and let them wipe without a healer. LOL

[Lilseph]

Was looking for this.

[Skivvy]

Also, I've never said that it's just the players' fault, in general.

Sure, you may not have blamed them specifically, but you did imply they were rude and selfish. MSQ roulette is a situation where you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours. New players, despite what you think, would be suffering from far longer queues to accomplish anything. Finding 8 people who want to spend an hour in a dungeon that is from years ago is going to be slim. So yes, the roulette gets people in quickly to complete the MSQ while the 'helpers' get some tomes or quick exp.

Also, unrelated to the current reply, but the thread in general:

Cute little sprout getting snippy.


The CM/Prae situation is not ideal, but that's why SE changed their evil ways in later dungeon.

[Niwashi]

The devs already admitted long ago that the praetorium and the other end-dungeon design was a failure.

And yet they still haven't fixed it. Sure, they haven't repeated the same problem elsewhere, but in all this time they haven't done anything about where it is now (which is far too pivotal a point at which to leave the storyline broken like this). It needs to be changed from a party mission into a solo mission.

My only remaining hope is that the upcoming change for being able to take our GC squads into combat instances includes these two dungeons. Then it'd be possible to go back and finally find out what the ARR story was supposed to be. (I don't know how likely that is, since it would require significantly more than chocobo-level AI on the part of our squad. They'd have to actually understand mechanics.)