If we nerfed SCH's DPS rotation to practically mirror WHM/AST

[Verdan]

Too salty! Too salty!

[Rubiss]

Too salty! Too salty!

It's just common sense really. If one class is seen as OP and is nerfed, then when another class is seen as OP, logic dictates we nerf them too. There are no place for buffs.

[Deox]

How about you take the energy you burn on the forums and either learn the class or level those other two soooo much better healers instead of constantly complaining?

[Rubiss]

How about you take the energy you burn on the forums and either learn the class or level those other two soooo much better healers instead of constantly complaining?

Complaining is how we get things done. Did you tell the WHMs to stay silent about the horrendous 20% Lily proc rate from a cure and cure 2? What do you want from me? I'm BiS and cleared all the 70 content. I know SCH. I don't need to be on the development team to know it sucks. A middle-schooler could figure that one out.

[Deox]

Complaining is how we get things done. Did you tell the WHMs to stay silent about the horrendous 20% Lily proc rate from a cure and cure 2? What do you want from me? I'm BiS and cleared all the 70 content. I know SCH. I don't need to be on the development team to know it sucks. A middle-schooler could figure that one out.

Except it doesn't suck. Actual viable constructive suggestions are better than pointless crying and moaning and yes the WHM stuff was hyperbolic and overblown as well.

[Rubiss]

Except it doesn't suck. Actual viable constructive suggestions are better than pointless crying and moaning and yes the WHM stuff was hyperbolic and overblown as well.

I've posted many times about what they can change to SCH to make them good. Several topics in fact.

1. Fey Union's potency needs to be significantly higher. Considering you get 3 ticks of this per minute (roughly, who knows how RNGFlow will go), a measly 5-6k is a sad joke, especially given the poor range and the animation dance required to even use it. The range should be 100y (like Bahamut) or at the very least, 30y like Embrace.

2. Excogitation is unnecessary. It doesn't reward planning nearly enough, and has poor synergy with other healers. 50 more potency Over Lustrate? Thanks. Saves me a GCD when things get dicey? Lustrate is 1 second recast. There is no situation where things are so dicey that I can't spare 1 second. If such a situation exists, no healer but SCH can do this.

3. Adloquium is a crappier Aspected Benefic. Not instant cast, costs more, weaker in every situation aside from a crit and even then, it's barely higher compared to a Aspected Benefic crit. You can bring up Deployment Tactics, but we can't fish for crits as reliably anymore with higher MP costs and crit being nerfed in general. Realistically, spread crit-lo is nice but not something you try and plan for.

4. Succor costs the same as Cure 3. Why doesn't it have the same potency then? Pick one. Lower Succor's MP cost to rival Medica or buff Succor's potency to 550.

5. Dissipation has poor synergy with Aetherpact. So we'll gain stacks and lose the fairy who benefits from us using stacks? Have to waste, at best 1 GCD and waste a valuable CD (swiftcast) or hard cast (which we won't do anyways). This skill is terrible and is only ever useful for minor DPS gains (very minor) and emergencies. It hurts you in the long run and is far too punishing. Resummon the Fairy after Dissipation wears off would be nice.

6. Embrace was nerfed for the wrong reason. Fairy shined in 3.X because Cleric Stance didn't effect them. They had 100% uptime on a nice heal. This mean that SCH had the easiest time DPSing and Healing at the same time (arguably still have it the easiest, by a much smaller margin). However, SCH's strength was their ability to DPS while Healing. With Cleric Stance no longer required to stance-dance, the fairy's main strength in 3.X is gone. So why are they nerfed? This greatly lowers SCH's HPS and is unneeded.

7. Quickened Aetherflow is garbage. A flat CDR of even 10 seconds would be better than this RNG crap. Statistically speaking, it shaves off 8 seconds roughly, but with how it works, you're just going to have bursts of unfun (or very fun) inconsistency. Just make it flat and stop this RNG nonsense.

8. Our AoE sucks. We don't have a level 40 job skill anymore. Give us an AoE here or at least a trait. Anything man. We got jack here.

[Lildragora]

Except it doesn't suck. Actual viable constructive suggestions are better than pointless crying and moaning and yes the WHM stuff was hyperbolic and overblown as well.

Except, comparatively it does suck.

[Cabalabob]

Except it doesn't suck.

It really does suck, a level 62 AST can actually heal as effectively as a level 70 SCH, while also having an actual AoE dps spell and more powerful passive heals. SCH needs a serious potency boost, especially when half its kit is not effected by healing increases such as largesse.

[Xygoz]

Except it doesn't suck. Actual viable constructive suggestions are better than pointless crying and moaning and yes the WHM stuff was hyperbolic and overblown as well.

your definition of suck must be different from mine, what are the strong points of scholar currently? because as it stands now there is a healer in the game that can do everything scholar can but more efficient.

[Deox]

your definition of suck must be different from mine, what are the strong points of scholar currently? because as it stands now there is a healer in the game that can do everything scholar can but more efficient.

Seeing how the AST/SCH combo is still currently stronger than the WHM/AST combo, not really.

An ast brings stronger base shields and cards at the moment but suffers from lower personal damage

A sch brings a more robust tool kit with very strong answers for different scenarios and solid dps

Ast is still a better WHM replacement than a SCH replacement as their regen kit is a bigger deal when fused with sch stuff and cards than their shield kit fused with whm regens.

White mages are bummed out still for a reason.

To be effective with a sch atm though requires you to use a good chunk of your toolkit at specific moments and timings which is a bit harder to play than the other two. But there is nothing wrong with a healer that isn't straight forward