If we nerfed SCH's DPS rotation to practically mirror WHM/AST

[LegoTechnic]

No doubt one day they'll just take all our DPS toys away, and we will be forced to compare between book smacks, staff thumps, and card-paper cuts.

Incidentally the first two are blunt, but are the cards counted as slashing?

[Rubiss]

Except it doesn't suck. Actual viable constructive suggestions are better than pointless crying and moaning and yes the WHM stuff was hyperbolic and overblown as well.

I've posted many times about what they can change to SCH to make them good. Several topics in fact.

1. Fey Union's potency needs to be significantly higher. Considering you get 3 ticks of this per minute (roughly, who knows how RNGFlow will go), a measly 5-6k is a sad joke, especially given the poor range and the animation dance required to even use it. The range should be 100y (like Bahamut) or at the very least, 30y like Embrace.

2. Excogitation is unnecessary. It doesn't reward planning nearly enough, and has poor synergy with other healers. 50 more potency Over Lustrate? Thanks. Saves me a GCD when things get dicey? Lustrate is 1 second recast. There is no situation where things are so dicey that I can't spare 1 second. If such a situation exists, no healer but SCH can do this.

3. Adloquium is a crappier Aspected Benefic. Not instant cast, costs more, weaker in every situation aside from a crit and even then, it's barely higher compared to a Aspected Benefic crit. You can bring up Deployment Tactics, but we can't fish for crits as reliably anymore with higher MP costs and crit being nerfed in general. Realistically, spread crit-lo is nice but not something you try and plan for.

4. Succor costs the same as Cure 3. Why doesn't it have the same potency then? Pick one. Lower Succor's MP cost to rival Medica or buff Succor's potency to 550.

5. Dissipation has poor synergy with Aetherpact. So we'll gain stacks and lose the fairy who benefits from us using stacks? Have to waste, at best 1 GCD and waste a valuable CD (swiftcast) or hard cast (which we won't do anyways). This skill is terrible and is only ever useful for minor DPS gains (very minor) and emergencies. It hurts you in the long run and is far too punishing. Resummon the Fairy after Dissipation wears off would be nice.

6. Embrace was nerfed for the wrong reason. Fairy shined in 3.X because Cleric Stance didn't effect them. They had 100% uptime on a nice heal. This mean that SCH had the easiest time DPSing and Healing at the same time (arguably still have it the easiest, by a much smaller margin). However, SCH's strength was their ability to DPS while Healing. With Cleric Stance no longer required to stance-dance, the fairy's main strength in 3.X is gone. So why are they nerfed? This greatly lowers SCH's HPS and is unneeded.

7. Quickened Aetherflow is garbage. A flat CDR of even 10 seconds would be better than this RNG crap. Statistically speaking, it shaves off 8 seconds roughly, but with how it works, you're just going to have bursts of unfun (or very fun) inconsistency. Just make it flat and stop this RNG nonsense.

8. Our AoE sucks. We don't have a level 40 job skill anymore. Give us an AoE here or at least a trait. Anything man. We got jack here.

[Starflake]

Notice how the dude who told us about our free regen is suddenly silent. Oh no, we have a free regen, so OP! Rubiss has actually made some decent points, has pointed out some obvious unbalanced things. If you want to be "OP" like a Scholar, you should be prepared to hand in most of your candy. That being said, having tried Scholar on Lakshmi and Susano extreme yesterday, I don't feel like the class is as bad as some people would make you believe.

- Embrace is still stronger than Regen and it still saves you a GCD so DPSing feels more fluent on a Scholar.
- Chain Strategem is a nice ability, but I still think it should be 20 seconds instead of 15.
- Excognition was decent, especially on Pull of Light when healers have to run to the back with their circles. Still think it should not cost an Aetherflow stack and should be put on a higher cooldown.
- Fey Union would be decent if the pet could still Embrace, or if the potency was a bit higher, and/or the distance for it to reach your target was not as low.
- Succor potency is too low for its MP cost as is Adloquium.

As for dungeons. It's painfully obvious that our lack of AoE damage is disgusting. This for me, if one of the main things that should change about Scholar. Make Broil II a 100 aoe potency move and let it coexist with Broil I which has a 230 potency. I also think Physick should have a higher potency than it currently has.

[Sebazy]

As for dungeons. It's painfully obvious that our lack of AoE damage is disgusting. This for me, if one of the main things that should change about Scholar. Make Broil II a 100 aoe potency move and let it coexist with Broil I which has a 230 potency. I also think Physick should have a higher potency than it currently has.

This. SCH's healing output IS behind the curve, it takes 30 seconds looking over logs to realise this, I can only assume that SE were banking on the extra CDs (aka Dissipation and Fey Illumination) offsetting it's lower potency. But on the flipside, it's inability to be even remotely as useful WHM or AST in 4 man roulettes is sadly even more noticeable.

[Lildragora]

Except it doesn't suck. Actual viable constructive suggestions are better than pointless crying and moaning and yes the WHM stuff was hyperbolic and overblown as well.

Except, comparatively it does suck.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Nerf AST, yes. Nerf WHM? Do you have any idea what that would do? We have no utility, so we rely on our inate strength. Nerfing that would just kill us while SCHs can go on lookin pretty with Chain Strategem.

[Lildragora]

Nerf AST, yes. Nerf WHM? Do you have any idea what that would do? We have no utility, so we rely on our inate strength. Nerfing that would just kill us while SCHs can go on lookin pretty with Chain Strategem.

I would like to see plenary indulgence give a confession aura with a range based on the stacks of 10y, 15y, and 20y respectively giving a bloodbath type effect and an additional 50 potency holy damage for all those within the aura on auto attacks and abilities/spells. Maybe not that exact formula but something along the lines for raid utility and tank sustain.

AST should not have the base shield percentage increases or they should be replicated on SCH if not only on SCH at a lower base shield percentage for starters on a balance between the two standpoint.

[Cabalabob]

Except it doesn't suck.

It really does suck, a level 62 AST can actually heal as effectively as a level 70 SCH, while also having an actual AoE dps spell and more powerful passive heals. SCH needs a serious potency boost, especially when half its kit is not effected by healing increases such as largesse.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

It really does suck, a level 62 AST can actually heal as effectively as a level 70 SCH, while also having an actual AoE dps spell and more powerful passive heals. SCH needs a serious potency boost, especially when half its kit is not effected by healing increases such as largesse.

I've said it before, and I probably sound like a broken record now, but I really hate the way SE balances things.
They can never reach a midpoint with anything, it's either nerf EVERYTHING or buff EVERYTHING until they're either underpowered or overpowered respectively.

SCH was a monster yes, but what exactly was the point of making SCH so weak and AST so strong? They just switched spots now. But it's worse because AST is better than BOTH healers.

[Lildragora]

I've said it before, and I probably sound like a broken record now, but I really hate the way SE balances things.
They can never reach a midpoint with anything, it's either nerf EVERYTHING or buff EVERYTHING until they're either underpowered or overpowered respectively.

SCH was a monster yes, but what exactly was the point of making SCH so weak and AST so strong? They just switched spots now. But it's worse because AST is better than BOTH healers.

SCH was not a monster outside of being able to sustain DPS while in cleric stance. Everything including heal potencies has basically remained unchanged besides a few mp cost increases for Succor and Adloquium. Our healing has always been this low, literally the only thing that made people think SCH was OP was because we could more easily sustain a DPS stance inside dungeons and some other content. Now even that is somewhat un-doable.