LOLSE, We're not wearing 270 STR to hold hate, c'mon now...

[Kinkoz]

What you explain in support Falar is an actual example of this mentality. What if, instead of letting the DPS lay on the ground dead, tanks managed to stave off damage long enough for the healers to rez the dead dps, and by proxy help the boss die faster, since the dps's roll is to do just that. Why does success have to be based around the TANKS (or in this case, also healers) own dps? Do you see here where a turn in mentality and thinking about a tanks' role in the raid can change based on where your focus is?

What if the healers can hardly afford the opportunity to raise the rest of the party for a considerable window of time because they're busy trying to heal the damage the tanks, and they themselves, are taking from unavoidable damage mechanics? I'm not saying success HAS to be based around the Tanks and Healers' own DPS, just that theirs often ends up being the dealbreaker to fights because of the incompetence of other players. Do you see where the very problem you're complaining about potentially exists because of the fact that Tanks and Healers have had to compensate for poor DPS who absolutely (and very loudly) refuse to improve their own performance? Granted, I won't deny that there is an exaggerated sense of ego among a handful of hardcore Tank and Healer players on account of their exemplary performance and damage contributions, but it is possible that such is a product of having to compensate for the performance of others over a very long period of time. I can't exactly speak for every elitist player's mentality, though.

[Yorumi]

the problem is that people think that as tank they have to be bad ass dps , trying to prove something ,but they forget ur alrdy doing something for the party , as in holding aggro and taking big hits , some dps is just a bonus ^^

There is no real mitigation stat in the game. More hp doesn't make you tank better. So the only way to improve a tank in this game right now is dps stats.

[YitharV2]

You say your not complaining about the numbers, and yet you're very clearly upset about not doing dps comparable to a full dps, going off of your own past posts and the posts here in this thread, so which is it? You can't say you aren't complaining about the numbers, while simultaneously asking SE to make your numbers bigger.

See, this is why I said even though.

If that's what you think you misreading my past posts, or perhaps I didn't make myself clear. DPS is nice, as it is king in this game. However, I don't really care because let me tell you I bet I've never even reached 2k DPS on a tank. Why would I suddenly care about DPS? If I really cared about DPS I should be near 3k on a tank like the pro tanks. What I care about is having fun.

I'm perfectly 100% happy with the recent buffs because it allows me to utilize my full kit, which is what I care about. Not the numbers.

[Klongol]

There is no real mitigation stat in the game. More hp doesn't make you tank better. So the only way to improve a tank in this game right now is dps stats.

There is one, now. Tenacity.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

There is no real mitigation stat in the game. More hp doesn't make you tank better. So the only way to improve a tank in this game right now is dps stats.

Tenacity, while it may need a little more weight to it, very much is a mitigation stat, and it also functions as a healing+ and damage+ stat as well. Just needs a tad more weight, like I said.

[Kinkoz]

Tenacity, while it may need a little more weight to it, very much is a mitigation stat, and it also functions as a healing+ and damage+ stat as well. Just needs a tad more weight, like I said.

Based on the math people have run on it, it needs considerably more than just a "tad".

[Nabian]

Based on the math people have run on it, it needs considerably more than just a "tad".

Others who have crunched the numbers are saying that 1000 tenacity results in about a 1% difference.

[Yorumi]

There is one, now. Tenacity.

Well yes but it's kind of implied that I meant mitigation that actually does something measurable.

[Evaddaragon]

It's not the numbers. It's using your full kit and having fun. I mean, maybe you have fun just doing 1-2-3 and Flash/Overpower/whatever, but a lot of us don't.

Now hold on a freakin' minute. Saying I don't care about the actual numbers I put out never meant I simply 1-2-3 and Flash. What I'm saying is I don't have "more fun" simply because my damage numbers are higher, or the run has ended in 20 minutes instead of 25. Heck, I'm not having more fun simply because I've done more damage when I do play a DPS either.


People who don't actually cry about the recent changes for tank damage aren't people that simply spam 1-2-3. That's definitely one misconception people need to get out of their heads. It's never even been remotely relevant.

[shao32]

Others who have crunched the numbers are saying that 1000 tenacity results in about a 1% difference.

recent test prove 1000 tenacity give us a 5% on defense and attack.