I don't like the Ifrit battle: rant warning

[Jinko]

paladin is gld and marauder, that tells you something about marauder, that paladin needs the skills a marauder has to do its job

we really have no clue at all what monk is going to be. All the data points in various directions.

War is going to be more DD focused than tank says yoshida, this is true.


that said, the jobs are not the classes, the jobs are specific roles within the classes. Classes have multiple skill sets.

I never implied that was the case, although it seems fair to me that in 8 man content the ideal situation will be for everyone to be on a job doing the best at their specific role

They would have to wipe or alter half the moves of pugilist to make it into a pure DD.
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Not entirely true, they could change them to proc in different circumstances, many of those moves you mention above are DD moves procced by evading attacks, they could have them proc on a miss similar to how fient works on LNC.

We already know they are making big changes to the skill set so anything could happen.

14/32 of pugilist skills help or require them to have hate to make use of them.

Interesting, huh ? when was the last time you saw a PGL tanking Ifrit ?

when that % of your skills are based around being targeted, then you need to be targetted, not even counting concussive blow, which is primarily of advantage to an evasion tank

As I said the skill are being changed and could be changed in line with what I suggested above, nobody knows til after the live letter.

10/32 on marauder.

you are only a 7 pugilist 8 mrd, so i understand you assume a lot about them

LMFAO and there goes the condescending tone (biggest reason I don't like replying to your posts), I have eyes in my head ya know !!, I talk to MRD's and PGL in my LS, I'm not completely dumb to how the classes work.

but it isnt as cut and dry as you make them. The fact is in order to even DD a marauder needs to be able to survive, and not lose hate easily(for aoe)

You are assuming they are playing solo ? which is fine, Jobs aren't designed for solo play.

as far as using classes in party content, to be honest there will probably be times when it is more beneficial not to be on a job,

Then SE failed, because the Job system is supposed to make you better at the role you plan to play, CNJ becomes a better healer, WAR becomes a better tank, Archer becomes a buffer, PGL,GLD,THM becomes better DD's.

especially if they completely limit them to one subclass. This will be situational, and probably be for when dealing with specific strategies, or when using a non optimal party set up, but it will still be there.

I can't see how that will happen, if you have 8 people and enough people to fit the roles then you are good to go, obviously if you end up with no healers 2 tanks and the rest DPS you are probably right, classes would be ther better way to go.