Current EX Difficulty is a Correct Business Decision by SE

[Areic]

I would pray no extreme fight in SB would be as easy as these two. We cleared Susano in two tries, Lakshimi in one attempt. We've farmed them countless times already and now it's boring. Imo we need more thordan-esque fights, that shit was fun to learn and finally take down

[AxlStream]

But Thordan EX wasn't difficult, it was just visually overwhelming. It was a relatively new experience for the team and they learned the good and the bad of designing such a fight. I hope Shinryu EX shows how far they have come boss fight design wise.

[IgnisFatuus]

I think Lakshmi could be a bit harder and not entirely dependent on the vril mechanic, not a big fan of gimmick fights.
But I think that the new primals are actually pug-able again. Gives me something to do when the raiders smash their head against Omega. Committing to raiding is just something I can't justify in my life right now, so I think both sides get something out of it.

[PondHollow]

I would pray no extreme fight in SB would be as easy as these two. We cleared Susano in two tries, Lakshimi in one attempt. We've farmed them countless times already and now it's boring. Imo we need more thordan-esque fights, that shit was fun to learn and finally take down

Applause for the "we" you're talking about, but maybe what's really needed then is an incentive to do it with queues and a disincentive for statics.

[Shut]

Unsure if sarcasm or not because of text, but I remember the beginning of 3.0. Bismarck was nearly as bad of a gate has Titan EX had been for a majority of people on Cactuar. Thordan EX was basically unkillable unless you went with a static or players that actively raided. Players with that kind of mindset. This was well before Party Finder.

Bismarck wasn't even close to be as hard as Titan EX back in the day. Lich was back then one of the less populated server without what you can call a large pool of HL players. Still, lots of kills were done through PF.I admit Thordan was more challenging than any other primal during heavensward, but it worked as intended for devs that wanted this fight to be challenging for the large part of the community that was broken by A3S, and was face rolling on alex NM. My groups took its time to clear this fight back then (nearly a month for 1/2 days per week), but it will probably stay for lots of players including me one of the best trial of FF XIV.

[Pyro2hell3]

i think the current exes are fine as a starting point with the new classes changes and what not. should stuff after them be hard absolutely but as the first thing do after clearing mqs and getting full tome gear i think they are fine

[Jetstream_Fox]

I've never understood why people want trials to be on or near raid level. Especially at the start or mid life of new content. SE needs to look at much more data this time before they increase the difficulty of anything related to 4.0. They need to look at the mess with Tanks, Healers have issues, and some of the Dps classes need to be fixed. Let's not forget they have to collect data from the new classes as well and see if any adjustments need to be made, my old fc back on Jenova had players that would turn out EX runs on day one release, and currently half of them rather experiment with SAM + RDM, or trying out PvP since it's unrestricted now.

There is a huge difference between 3.0 and 4.0, people need to understand that, once SE has collected enough data across the board, you'll see EX difficulty start to rise. They also have to start collecting Omega data so they can turn out Savage. Which might be just a bit harder than Normal, since this is where a lot of raid rebalancing will likely happen for the next 2 chapters in Omega.

[Dzian]

Here is my concern on the extreme fights and why I feel they will be nerfed. It took me a week to finally clear Susano

How many hours of parties?

A week to clear an ex primal at average play times per day is honestly pretty fast going.

Took me just over a week to clear Soph in heavensward. And about the same to clear zurvan. Couple of hours a day after work. Sort of thing.

A week is nothing really. Unless you were trying that fight 24/7 or something ridiculous

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Unsure if sarcasm or not because of text, but I remember the beginning of 3.0. Bismarck was nearly as bad of a gate has Titan EX had been for a majority of people on Cactuar. Thordan EX was basically unkillable unless you went with a static or players that actively raided. Players with that kind of mindset. This was well before Party Finder.

Because people are shockingly bad at tank swaps. The number of people who can't do a simple swap forever baffles me. Yes, mistakes or miss timings happen, but those shouldn't be the norm yet...

[Niyuka]

Currently, if you go into an Ex primal with a solid setup (meaning you avoid the bad jobs) they are pretty easy. The difficulty for many here, I bet, comes from having weak jobs or one or two significantly worse players than should be allowed into these trials in the group. Susano Ex can be a pain if you have 1-2 people who simply are too bad, and should have been gated behind Shinryu for a looooong time.
Also, double scholar, warriors, machinists and other such nonsense jobs, in their current state, make these fights harder than they should be.

With the good jobs and meta setups, they are too easy, and would need a buff to remain relevant after this week or next.