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  1. #1
    Player
    Avatar von Auteur
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    Vardy Davout
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Rotmagier Lv 80

    Current EX Difficulty is a Correct Business Decision by SE

    Playing the long view and looking at what's best for the health of the game, I contend SE is making correct business decisions by having Susano and Lakshimi EX at their current difficulty. The significant amount of damage caused to the player base, server populations, and financials caused by pre-A9S is going to take time, maybe a full year at least, to mitigate. Consequently, SE has to keep content pared down to encourage new/rusty returning players to come back and rebuild the sub base.

    The self-proclaimed "top 10%" or hardcores need to understand the basic economics of sub-based vs F2p: Sub is all about quantity because an "expert's" $15 is worth the same as the sub of a noob, also $15. This is in contrast to F2P MMOs where the devs can effectively monetize and milk individual hardcore players; that hardcore will spend $10k to stay on top and subsidize many other F2P players. I encourage folks to read this article by Richard Garfield, creator of MTG, on "skinnerware" and the exploitative logic of F2P mmos: https://m.facebook.com/notes/richard...49168888532667.

    Consequently, SE has to engage in mass appeal; it's the correct business decision. The thing about WoW, and how Blizzard can tinker with PvE, is because Blizzard has captured a unique PvP niche in the market: PvP players who realize how exploitative F2P MMOs are, so they will instead pay a sub to PvP. This should be not be underestimated, since Blizzard can rely on these PvP folks to effectively mitigate/subsidize any losses caused by PvE experimentation. SE doesn't have that benefit (SE has never prioritized PvP), so they have to play it safe with PvE for some time.

    Another economic example: SE could focus on making hardcore content to retain lets say, 200k subs at an average of 5 months each. Or SE could focus on mass appeal and get lets say, 800k subs for 1 month each. One might thing, "oh wow appealing to hardcores gets the equivalent of 1 million subs x $15, so $15 mil, that's greater than 800k x $15 (12 mil), so SE should appeal to hardcore players." WRONG! You would be forgetting one crucial detail: You must factor in sales of the expansion pack too! That's where it becomes clear that it makes more business sense to appeal to a wide audience rather than "hardcores." When you factor in X-pac purchases at, lets say, $40 each, the math becomes as follows:

    Hardcores: $15 mil in sub revenue + (200k * 40 ) = $23 mil

    Mass Appeal: $12 mil in sub revenue + (800k * 40) = $12 mil + $32 mil (!) in X-Pac revenue = $44 mil.

    Crushed by nearly 2:1. SE stands much more to gain by getting as many people as possible to try the game - and buy all the X-pacs - even if they ultimately only sub for one month. The marginal benefit from trying to appeal to a select minority of players to get to "keep their sub" is just not there.
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    Geändert von Auteur (03.07.17 um 15:00 Uhr)

  2. #2
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    Avatar von Driavna
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    Elara Almasombria
    World
    Sagittarius
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    Dunkelritter Lv 90
    Uh? Both extreme primals are more "simple" than others because this is the beginning of the expansion, the difficulty will ramp up and more "you fail you wipe" mechanics will be introduced.
    (39)

  3. #3
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    Avatar von AxlStream
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    Axl Stream
    World
    Faerie
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    Krieger Lv 90
    I mean.... Remember how we could all destroy Ravana EX and Bismark EX before Thordan EX showed up? Guess which EX is gonna mop the floor with us for a while as soon as it's patched in. Consider these 2 easy EXs as a gift to the masses, the next ones won't be so kind as I don't think we'll get another Sophia EX level of difficulty.
    (10)

  4. #4
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    Avatar von Lunafreya
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    Jan 2016
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    Ul'dah
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    Ellia Lombardia
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Tänzer Lv 90
    Zitat Zitat von Driavna Beitrag anzeigen
    Uh? Both extreme primals are more "simple" than others because this is the beginning of the expansion, the difficulty will ramp up and more "you fail you wipe" mechanics will be introduced.
    Let's hope that happens because Ravana and even Bismarck are more challenging than Lakshmi and Susano. I'm super disappointed in Lakshmi being a repetitive fight. Without the vril mechanic it would have been super more interesting, perhaps or make vril last 10 seconds... not almost a minute.
    (1)

  5. #5
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    Avatar von Greedalox
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    Jul 2015
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    Blufnix Greedalox
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Maschinist Lv 90
    Zitat Zitat von AxlStream Beitrag anzeigen
    I mean.... Remember how we could all destroy Ravana EX and Bismark EX before Thordan EX showed up? Guess which EX is gonna mop the floor with us for a while as soon as it's patched in. Consider these 2 easy EXs as a gift to the masses, the next ones won't be so kind as I don't think we'll get another Sophia EX level of difficulty.
    I recall there being a claim from Yoshi P that they'd never make a primal fight as hard as Thordan EX.
    (4)

  6. #6
    Player Avatar von FateAudax
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    Jan 2014
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    Lakshmi's Bosom
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    211
    Character
    Empyreal Fate
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Barde Lv 70
    Here's to hoping for a Royal Menagerie EX.

    Susan gives weapon.
    Lakshmi gives right side.
    We still lack left side.
    (2)

  7. #7
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    Avatar von Masekase_Hurricane
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    Masekase Hurricane
    World
    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Astrologe Lv 100
    Zitat Zitat von FateAudax Beitrag anzeigen
    Here's to hoping for a Royal Menagerie EX.

    Susan gives weapon.
    Lakshmi gives right side.
    We still lack left side.
    I thought it was confirmed that royal managerie was going to be the next EX?
    (2)
    Geändert von Masekase_Hurricane (03.07.17 um 16:25 Uhr)

  8. #8
    Player Avatar von FateAudax
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    Lakshmi's Bosom
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    Empyreal Fate
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Barde Lv 70
    Zitat Zitat von Masekase_Hurricane Beitrag anzeigen
    I thought it was confirmed that royal managerie was going to be the next EX
    Sorry, returning player here. I'm not quite up-to-date with the news. If it is, then it'll be something I'll look forward to

    The NM version was fun but didn't have any incentive of redoing it after completion.
    (0)

  9. #9
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    Avatar von Ragnhar
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    Mar 2017
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Regulus Caelum
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Maschinist Lv 90
    I personally believe that this two EX primal where easy to let people get used to the class changes.
    (3)

  10. #10
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    Avatar von Baci
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    Baci Asciar
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Krieger Lv 90
    Zitat Zitat von FateAudax Beitrag anzeigen
    Here's to hoping for a Royal Menagerie EX.

    Susan gives weapon.
    Lakshmi gives right side.
    We still lack left side.
    Primals dont drop left side gear
    (2)

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