BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

[Zzzlol94]

Fire IV needs to be buffed back to 280 potency to even compete with RDM in damage, and then we're still far away from SAM in damage, which is where BLM is supposed to be.
Blizzard IV is a straight DPS loss if you have Foul available in Umbral Ice. Getting two extra Fire IV isn't worth the cast of Blizzard IV, and it's only worthwhile when Foul isn't available.

BLM still has no utility, but gets beaten by all jobs on single-target damage (the only type of damage which matters) except for DRG, BRD and MCH.

RDM needs a nerf. It has the most utility out of the 3 casters, but deals the most damage consistently and has the most movement. Looking at the SSS training dummies, it is supposed to be furthest behind. This is nowhere near the case right now, as it beats BLM and significantly beats SMN.

If BLM isn't doing the most damage ahead of SMN in 2nd and RDM in 3rd when Savage releases, then BLM isn't viable as SMN and RDM will always have their utility to make them viable.

[Fyce]

BLM is less than 100 DPS below RDM in Susano. It beats SMN by 200 DPS.
BLM is 200 DPS below RDM in Lakshmi. It beats SMN by 100 DPS.
So, on average, BLM is 150 DPS inbetween RDM and SMN regarding caster DPS. While it's not "the best", it's still completly viable. SMN, on the other hand, is not.

SAM is completly overpowered, don't compare BLM to it. In fact, don't compare anything to it. SAM is in its own category.

Though I do agree that RDM grants too much DPS for the skill floor and ceiling it has, while also having very potent healing abilities and raise. It's also a job which doesn't punish failure that much.
Tuning it down a bit is all the caster balance needs. SMN needs quite a buff too. But BLM is probably at the right spot already.

[Kacho_Nacho]

BLM is less than 100 DPS below RDM in Susano. It beats SMN by 200 DPS.
BLM is 200 DPS below RDM in Lakshmi. It beats SMN by 100 DPS.
So, on average, BLM is 150 DPS in between RDM and SMN regarding caster DPS. While it's not "the best", it's still completely viable. SMN, on the other hand, is not.

SAM is completely overpowered, don't compare BLM to it. In fact, don't compare anything to it. SAM is in its own category.

Though I do agree that RDM grants too much DPS for the skill floor and ceiling it has, while also having very potent healing abilities and raise. It's also a job which doesn't punish failure that much.
Tuning it down a bit is all the caster balance needs. SMN needs quite a buff too. But BLM is probably at the right spot already.

I love red mage. It is a fun job and a pretty easy one too.

And I agree with everything you wrote regarding them.

Due to the fun being in the mechanics, doing appropriately less damage would not affect my enjoyment of the job. It would also be fair to the more complex jobs too.

But, for the life of me, I cannot come up with a damage dealer ranking without wanting to change it a few minutes later.

Gah! How do the devs do it? By complexity? By utility?

If you were the person doing the nerfs and buffs, what would be your damage dealer rankings?

[Lelila38]

I can keep up with Rdm and Sam, if I have a good run. Blm is on a good spot, I only wish I could get rid of the job UI and get my buff icons back.

[GospelVhae]

If they buff Enochain to refresh your current Astral/Umbral timer, I'll be one happy caster main.

[s3ystic]

If SE is going to argue "purity of purpose" then I agree that RDM needs some re-balancing. I thought WHM was supposed to be "the Healer Template," and BLM the "magic DPS template." But it seems for some reason RDM is doing both their jobs with little to no drawbacks. Either bring BLM up some more so it is the "Magic equivalent to SAM." or tone something down on RDM.

[Vallhallix]

If SE is going to argue "purity of purpose" then I agree that RDM needs some re-balancing. I thought WHM was supposed to be "the Healer Template," and BLM the "magic DPS template." But it seems for some reason RDM is doing both their jobs with little to no drawbacks. Either bring BLM up some more so it is the "Magic equivalent to SAM." or tone something down on RDM.

They gave RDM BLM's burst, gave it SMN rez, plus the best buffs/utility and gave SMN........devotion, stripping away or hard nerfing most of it's abilities while giving it utterly useless utlity. At this point it feels like the Bahamut was an apology or a bandaid for screwing SMN.

''Ok we totally nerfed you guys into oblivion, but here's a Bahamut, please continue playing SMN''.

It's ok though, they'll probably just ovebuff SMN when they see it's population dropping. Overbuffing is always the answer instead of balancing with SE ;D

[Kabooa]

Blizzard IV is a straight DPS loss if you have Foul available in Umbral Ice. Getting two extra Fire IV isn't worth the cast of Blizzard IV, and it's only worthwhile when Foul isn't available.

Could I get a source on this?

[TheFanciestBard]

Could I get a source on this?

Test it yourself. 3.0 rotation is a not insignificant dps increase compared to 4.0. The decreased potency of Blizzard 4 makes it basically worthless and the extra fire4s you get don't make up for it.

[Waliel]

The problem with that is that Blm has zero party utility, the only thing we had, Apoc, was opened to all casters.
SE keeps defending their op Sam by saying they should be top as they have no other benefits for the group. That logic should apply to Blm as well.

That feel when SAM has more innate utility with slashing debuff than BLM.

Test it yourself. 3.0 rotation is a not insignificant dps increase compared to 4.0. The decreased potency of Blizzard 4 makes it basically worthless and the extra fire4s you get don't make up for it.

From my experiences and theorycrafting 4xF4 has a higher damage ceiling, but can get screwed harder by bad mana ticks. Nothing that can't be fixed by paying attention, though.