Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Kabzy]

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Well generally if a Lily procs I'll be using it on Benison to allow me to DPS more, so yes I am revolving part of the toolkit around the Lilies. Could the Lilies be a little more interesting? Yes. But I think WHMs are forgetting that at least they have something designed into this gauge. ASTs is basically just UI, and SCHs could literally have just been like a second AF icon up to 10. It's something, even if it isn't perfect.

And PI is unreliable, but imo that's exactly what it's meant to be. If it procs, it can open windows for you to DPS that slight bit more, if it doesn't, it doesn't. Not the best addition, but at least it adds something to the job. They've tried to make WHM a little less autopilot if you actually choose to see it that way.

[Hyperia]

Just finished getting to 70 and found that during intense combat (the final trial), I don't have time to bother with gimmicks like Benison and PI. If I do anything, I may macro them into some of my heals but other than that, I don't use them. I just don't have the time to play with them, I am too busy either doing heals or DPS to bother with how many stacks I have on a particular person or on trying to get faster cool downs by inefficient healing. Is WHM good? Yes, I believe it does a good job at healing and is very competent at it. But right now, the new stuff besides upgraded stone and thin air all feel like a "/shrug we don't really know what to give them without making them OP".

[VanilleFang]

IIRC it is 18 seconds, though. And yeah, all healers did lose all the same things, those being MP Regen/cleanse/DoTs/heal buffs.

Aero 2 is 18 sec, yeah.

SCH didn't lose MP Regen or Heal Buff, but they were nerfed.

[MisterLucie]

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Same thing here. Just got done with Menagerie and the entire time did not feel any need or even any real opportunity to utilize (as much as you can really utilize such underwhelming features) lilies, and felt absolutely zero benefit to even having PI. It was never available when it would have been useful, and when it was available it was only a single stack on either a tank or one random person in the group and healed for less than a Cure.

All in all, WHM feels good but only because it feels identical to how it already felt with a bit more MP control. Lilies and PI/Confessions may as well not even exist.

[ErikMynhier]

I'm going to go off the rails here probably forgive me for bringing in real life religion and if I'm healer-stupid.... I am a Tank mainly though I dabble in healing......

We all notice the catholic overtones of the job skills and the nod especially to church-type NPCs right? I think it would not be so bad if WHM had gotten more "heal me/hurt you" skills like Assize already is, especially with the way MND doing both healing and damage now. I think the "heal me/hurt you" mechanic makes for a fun healer type.


EXAMPLE: Keep Asylum as it is, but add a MND fueled damage dot like the SMN's bubble for any enemy in the bubble. Not a terrible lot of damage, but some.


Things like that to existing skills, if only a few, would have granted a new identity I think. Also some more CC skills would have been nice too I think. Use terms like Purgatory, Inquisition, Exorcism or even Requiem for any number of single target or AoE debuffs to go along with their healing buffs, not so different from classic pre-FFVII WHM.


EXAMPLE: Reparation originally a church concept similar to its modern meaning of having to pay damages. A debuff placed on a mob that causes like 10% of all its outgoing damage to be turned back on it for say 5 or 10 seconds. A nice chunk of damage to a boss using an clustering attack I'd say. Give it a long cooldown and call it a day.


I wish you all the best getting better stuff for your WHMs. This PLD loves you guys and always has a place in his party for you.

[Memoriae]

oh! I Know! WHM should get a zombie/reverse ogcd ability that makes healing do damage! lol op

[Saraphin]

oh! I Know! WHM should get a zombie/reverse ogcd ability that makes healing do damage! lol op

considering what the statue at the end of the lvl 60 Amdapor keep does? i think that having something where Cure 1/2/etc does damage would have been a good addition to WHM, we saw some amazing things with that boss...and then.....*motions to skills*...yeah...we got this. they had an entire boss fight that showed off what WHM could be, or could have been, but...we didn't get it.

[LegoTechnic]

Fun fact: Y'shtola's sister still uses Stoneskin on you in the final battle of the SMN class quests.

I thought that was funny. :-]

[Keridwyn]

Fun fact: Y'shtola's sister still uses Stoneskin on you in the final battle of the SMN class quests.

I thought that was funny. :-]

Too soon man, too soon.

[ManaBanana]

After playing with lilies for over a week now, they're fine. They're great for lowering assize/tetra cooldowns, and you only need one to use divine benison. If you're tank healing, you're probably using cure II anyway so fire one and then use DB to give yourself some breathing room. You can also fire DB off on a DPS who is about to take damage from an unavoidable mechanic like Susano EX's lightning. It doesn't mitigate much but it has been the difference between someone being killed or surviving.

Lilies are ignoreable in tense combat but when you have breathing room you can start to play around with it. I use DB on myself all the time in temple of the fist's final boss. Pretty much anywhere that has an unavoidable AoE mechanic, it's useful. The less time you focus on keeping yourself alive, the more you can focus on your party, and DB gives you that extra oomph to do so.

Planery indulgence is garbage though. I took it off my main bars so it wasn't wasting a hotkey spot.